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So Trade Luongo asap........
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johnnybluenose
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Sorry to call you wrong STD, but Edler is not an RFA, he's a UFA and will cost 5-7 Schmill because his rights are open for everyone come bidding time.
at least nhlnumbers.com and capgeek.com have him listed as a UFA. Remember in the waning years of this deal the age for Unrestricted Free Agency slide as low as 27/28 years of age based on number of contracts and years of service on PRO contracts, not necessarily on NHL contracts
at least nhlnumbers.com and capgeek.com have him listed as a UFA. Remember in the waning years of this deal the age for Unrestricted Free Agency slide as low as 27/28 years of age based on number of contracts and years of service on PRO contracts, not necessarily on NHL contracts
My bad I did a quick check on the unreliable Hockey Buzz web site instead of using the reliable cap geek. That's like using CNN for your news instead of TTP. Won't happen again. Agreed that the price went up but I think Edler will take less to remain a Canuck.
...I'm talking about when he plays a bad game to every now and then take a bit of blame for the loss.
STD grow some balls or burn the warts off the ones attached 2 u. Stop kissing JBN's ass.
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Canucks dont need to get tougher.. We are 6th in the nhl in fights and Byron Bitz is coming up.. If he stays healthy he can make a difference ..
We need a stud on the back end along with some more depth both up front and on D. Would like to see ohlund come back at the deadline. Is he still playing?
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Canucks dont need to get tougher.. We are 6th in the nhl in fights and Byron Bitz is coming up.. If he stays healthy he can make a difference ..
We need a stud on the back end along with some more depth both up front and on D. Would like to see ohlund come back at the deadline. Is he still playing?
johnnybluenose
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Ohlund is still playing, but is currently out with a concussion. Hasn't played a game this year due to his broken egg.
We have two to three studs on defense. Edler, Bieksa, and Hamhuis. The only drastic imrpovement on any of these three guys is where you're wading into Norris candidate territory... And as long as Ryan Kesler a pair of First Rounders and Schneider isn't key to your playoff plans then perhaps a Suter or Weber or Doughty or Boyle or Keith is available.
Edler is second in league scoring for D, Bieksa is 14th, both are plus players.
Ohlund is no stud.
a 7M p/yr dman is not going to happen. They need to upgrade on Rome and Alberts, play Ballard more so he gets his confidence up and add Tanev back into the mix and add a guy like Brad Stuart or Josh Gorges or Anton Stralman a 4th, 5th, 6th Dman (on this team) that will not pass pucks to Luongo resulting in the Drew Miller goal last night.
We have two to three studs on defense. Edler, Bieksa, and Hamhuis. The only drastic imrpovement on any of these three guys is where you're wading into Norris candidate territory... And as long as Ryan Kesler a pair of First Rounders and Schneider isn't key to your playoff plans then perhaps a Suter or Weber or Doughty or Boyle or Keith is available.
Edler is second in league scoring for D, Bieksa is 14th, both are plus players.
Ohlund is no stud.
a 7M p/yr dman is not going to happen. They need to upgrade on Rome and Alberts, play Ballard more so he gets his confidence up and add Tanev back into the mix and add a guy like Brad Stuart or Josh Gorges or Anton Stralman a 4th, 5th, 6th Dman (on this team) that will not pass pucks to Luongo resulting in the Drew Miller goal last night.
Luo isnt the issue.
Not that Canucks will make any moves....(based on every trade deadline)
Getting Praise out for Jersey for Scheinder and someone would work (Brodeur time is coming to an end and Hedberg isnt good enough)
Not that Canucks will make any moves....(based on every trade deadline)
Getting Praise out for Jersey for Scheinder and someone would work (Brodeur time is coming to an end and Hedberg isnt good enough)
johnnybluenose
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Parise is essentially as valuable as Kesler or more so. You'd have to give up Schneider or Hodgson, Raymond and likley a pick for that deal to rent him for 2 months and the playoffs.
Brodeur said he wants 1 more year... so if Schneider plays one more year here or backs up Brodeur there he's in the same boat.
Parise has a 6.0M Cap hit and will get the same or more as a UFA this off season.
Ryan Suter and Zach Parise are the 2 big ticket UFA's this summer.
again this isn't NHL 12. You can't trade two 78's for a 90-something and have the other GM "Bite your hand off for that deal"
Brodeur said he wants 1 more year... so if Schneider plays one more year here or backs up Brodeur there he's in the same boat.
Parise has a 6.0M Cap hit and will get the same or more as a UFA this off season.
Ryan Suter and Zach Parise are the 2 big ticket UFA's this summer.
again this isn't NHL 12. You can't trade two 78's for a 90-something and have the other GM "Bite your hand off for that deal"
johnnybluenose
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He's in the top 20 for DMan scoring, is a Plus hockey player and 23:37 average minutes per game. For a Cap hit of 4.6 M per year he is the deal of the century.
Is he a bit Cavalier with the puck at times? Yes, but so was Jovanovski when he was with us- remember the nickname "Special Ed?" Pronger and Doughty display this casualness on a regular basis. I'm not comparing Bieksa to Norris candidates, but he is a stud. Yes. Imho. But that requires a definition of Stud.
I'd say:
1) Norris Candidate
2) All Star
3) Stud
4) Depth guys
5) Pressbox Plugs
6) AHL'ers.
He is reasonably responsible with the puck in his own zone, makes a pretty good to excellent first breakout pass, scores above his weight goals/assists wise and is very physical in front of the net/nasty without taking himself off the ice for 5 minute fighting majors all the time.
If I were ranking the Nucks D depth chart...
1) Edler (Allstar)
2) Hamhuis (Stud)
3) Bieksa (Stud)
4) Salo (Depth Guy/Special Teams Specialist)
5) Ballard (Depth guy that could be stud with more minutes/confidence)
6) Tanev (Future Stud)
7) Sulzer (Depth)
8) Rome (Pressbox Plug)
9) Connaughton (Future Stud)
10) Alberts (AHLer every day of the week)
Is he a bit Cavalier with the puck at times? Yes, but so was Jovanovski when he was with us- remember the nickname "Special Ed?" Pronger and Doughty display this casualness on a regular basis. I'm not comparing Bieksa to Norris candidates, but he is a stud. Yes. Imho. But that requires a definition of Stud.
I'd say:
1) Norris Candidate
2) All Star
3) Stud
4) Depth guys
5) Pressbox Plugs
6) AHL'ers.
He is reasonably responsible with the puck in his own zone, makes a pretty good to excellent first breakout pass, scores above his weight goals/assists wise and is very physical in front of the net/nasty without taking himself off the ice for 5 minute fighting majors all the time.
If I were ranking the Nucks D depth chart...
1) Edler (Allstar)
2) Hamhuis (Stud)
3) Bieksa (Stud)
4) Salo (Depth Guy/Special Teams Specialist)
5) Ballard (Depth guy that could be stud with more minutes/confidence)
6) Tanev (Future Stud)
7) Sulzer (Depth)
8) Rome (Pressbox Plug)
9) Connaughton (Future Stud)
10) Alberts (AHLer every day of the week)
@girth I would like to see more accountability out of Luongo also but it is more important what his teammates feel. we can speculate but we don't know.
@ididnotknowsidwaspolish that is all I have to say.
@franchise going after big names at trade deadline time hurts the team in the long run more often than they help them win a cup. Again for me having a backup that is capable to carry a team in the playoffs if needed for $900,000 is gold.
@ididnotknowsidwaspolish that is all I have to say.
@franchise going after big names at trade deadline time hurts the team in the long run more often than they help them win a cup. Again for me having a backup that is capable to carry a team in the playoffs if needed for $900,000 is gold.
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I disagree ... Bieksa is a stud ,he has been playing like he's had one lodged up his back side all year!
italian_stallion21
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I'm surprised that plumber Lidstrom got resigned in Detroit, he finished an entire season -2 last year! Brutal!
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italian_stallion21
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And my point is even one of the greatest defencemen ever to play the game can go -, as a lot IS dependent on your partner and team defense. I agree on your point, but the Nucks as a whole were playing awful D at that point of the season, hanging Lou, Shneids and the D out to dry a lot. And since Bieksa chewed up the most minutes, he was on more often than not during those bed shittings. Conversely, his +/- has been one of the best on the team since they turned it around and started playing well.
termatofylakas
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You mean what was his +/- before Hamhuis came along? Funny how a career minus dman becomes a plus and all a sudden he's a stud. I hope some of that money he gets goes to Hamhuis since without him he'd probably be gone from here, or be making a lot less.
The fact that JBN puts him ahead of Salo is also laughable. Pretty soon you'll say he's better than Lidstrom as well! Salo's play is similar to him just less offense and more injury prone. Also last I checked a dman's role is to prevent the other team from scoring and if they can add a few points it's a bonus. I don't get why Bieksa can make the same mistakes Ballard makes and get a free ride.
Tim Berners-Lee
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do we have him till 2020?
