Imperial Cup 2004 Imperial Cup Results and various

[whataboutbob]

Sorry, Holliday.
I don't intend my takes to be personal attacks, but a mere statement of what I observed.

By no means am I saying that we should of won nor saying that they didnt control most of the game but we played our game plan to almost perfection..

Did your game plan include the goon in the back line football tackling Tino for the red? He went off and I saw everyone congratulating him for having, I guess, a good game. Yup, the plan worked great.

Basically what you're telling me is, your plan was to weather the inevitable 90 minute storm, why? (My teams have never had this type of game plan ever-unless we played the likes of Manchester Utd). Because you knew that they were a superior team. Thus you supported my argument; the Premier teams are superior. Thanks Holliday

As for the opportunities, Inter may not have had many, but the field did play a part in that. The ball slowed down, bounced all over. This had a huge effect on a very skilled team like Inter (as well as Sap ). If not for the poor conditions, I'm sure plenty more scoring chances would have been had.

 

[Reccos]

I don't think my post suggests that Sapperton came close to being all over your side (Sporting). My post credits you guys with great team play and if anything, I crapped all over the Sapperton back line as the team did give up 5 goals. Renember I do have to see the Premier team at the training pitch.

Trevor Todd did not dive but I can see why you'd think that way and why the ref who doesn't know the player might think so. This guy used to play for my teams since he was 18 so I'd know if he was a diver or he'd admit that was what he did.

I thought you were mugged in the box but was told by those who could see it that they didn't call that because of the hand ball by you which I assumed happened before the mugging but that was far from me.

I thought my post gave you guys a lot of credit as you have a quality team that plays well together and you guys really moved the ball well on the day and deserved the victory. I know you some of you VCC educated guys can be reading challenged at times, but if you read my post clearly, I pointed out a number of factors that did in Sap on the day, not the least of which was the quality of your teams play.

Any time a team allows 5 goals and scores 3, you have to give the goal scoring side a lot of credit. Hope this makes you feel better.

 

[J_B]

Trevor Todd did not dive but I can see why you'd think that way and why the ref who doesn't know the player might think so. This guy used to play for my teams since he was 18 so I'd know if he was a diver or he'd admit that was what he did.

I thought you were mugged in the box but was told by those who could see it that they didn't call that because of the hand ball by you which I assumed happened before the mugging but that was far from me.

I think you should re-ask Trevor Todd in the box, because apparently I was the one that so called, "ran him over". To say that he didn't embelish it is a joke, I don't know many people that fall with their hands above their head. Usually the first instinct when you fall is to put your hands infront of you to absorb the impact of the ground.


Cheers
JB

 

[Regs]

To say that he didn't embelish it is a joke, I don't know many people that fall with their hands above their head. Usually the first instinct when you fall is to put your hands infront of you to absorb the impact of the ground.

Is this a piss-take? I said the exact same thing a couple of weeks ago...



~Regs.

 

[animal]

JB
Have you ever seen Tony Fonseco go down when the wind blows to hard?

 

[john]

Peg 3 - 1 Khalsa

A 2-1 game with Peg's last goal coming on the last kick of the game.

 

[ParkHead]

Peg 3 Khalsa 1.

I will leave it to others talk about the game. A close game with Peg adding the insurance marker in the 90th min.

Hos you putz. We had a little pool going for the final score and I had Peg 2-1. That last mistake cost me ten bucks!!


Parkhead

 

[Regs]

With basically your provincial cup berth on the line, how the fcuk do you show up with 9 players?

That's absolutely shocking, full-stop.

Indo has some sort of wedding thing this weekend so it appears the Peg/Indo quarterfinal will be played next Wednesday night. Or something like that.

Cheers,

~Regs.

 

[J_B]

JB
Have you ever seen Tony Fonseco go down when the wind blows to hard?

Yeah but atlesast he yells

Cheers
JB

 

[Hands of Stone]

With basically your provincial cup berth on the line, how the fcuk do you show up with 9 players?

That is the gong show that has been going on all year. We are missing 2 guys with Cards, 2 are working, a couple others have quite, so we are left we 11 battling for the season. We did not do too bad, 2 errors on set plays (corner kicks) cost us the game, our fitness was the story in the end. Bear Creek is in great shape, nice park to play on during the week.

On to Firetoon, were we need at least 3 out of 4 wins down the stretch to get into the Provincails, but every other team out of Imerial is also in search of points to get in, tough road ahead.

hos working on his Top Characters in the League Thread for Reedy.

 

[Regs]

8 teams left.

5 Premier A teams
2 Premier B teams
1 Div one team

Interesting breakdown... is the Premier A side that much better?

Cheers,

~Regs.

 

[knvb]

I think a damn strong case can be made for you on that one Regs...

If you take away Inter, Westside and BBY who all have 17 games under their belts you're left with a standings table like this Side A -- Side B Games Played in brackets...

1. Sporting - 28(15)
2. Toons - 25 (15)
3. MF - 24 (15)
4. Peg - 23 (15)
5. Slurrey - 22 (14)
6. Sapp - 21 (15)
7. Indo - 20 (16)
8. Trollups - 19 (16)
9. Mighty 11 - 18 (15)
10. Columbus - 15 (16)
11. Clan - 5 (17)

 

[Hands of Stone]

Interesting breakdown... is the Premier A side that much better?

It really seems to be this year Regs, but the sad thing of it is, there is still going to be a good team relegated from Side A, either Indo, Sap, or Peg , and any or all of these teams could get relegated with more points than not only Clan, but also Columbus, Khalsa, and Trollers.
I have heard that many of the teams have writen into the League protesting or voicing concern over the relegation of a team with possibly more points than half the teams in Side B. Now I doubt that the League will change the rules half way or at the end of the league because of a few letters , it would not surprise me one bit if the League execs. went and changed the rules so that two teams get relegated on Side B. It has happened before in Div. 1 to ACM for promotion when Sporting I think protested because they had more points than ACM, even thought they were 2nd on their side, correct me if I am wrong Sporting boys.

The bottom line in this whole Rant Is, the League has fukced up by having to Sides, no other soccer league in the world (that I know of) that has relegation and promotion, has two sides. The league must correct this and make one division for Premier, I know, too many games to be played, well it is there fault for going from a perfect 10 team league to a 14 team. So if any of these letters are read, the only solution to the problem of a team getting relegated with a better record and more points, is to have every team play each other twice in one division.

Good luck to Sporting representing Side B, and go Inter.

What do people think, should 2 teams with less points on Side B go DOWN, or should it be what is in the constitution, with the last place team on each side going DOWN. What is fair. I should start a POLL.

hos

 

[sensei_hanson]

When we got the playoff game against ACM for promotion it was through an appeal to the BCSA.

Serbia was the top team on our side, and the old Westside Biminis was tops on the other side. Serbia won promotion while ACM, who were second to Biminis, were awarded the other spot because Westside declined to move to premier. I believe we had one more point than ACM and under the rules of the VMSL constitution, we challenged some article which stated that if the first-place team doesn't move up, the team with the most points, regardless of side, moves up instead.

The wording of the protest was probably the biggest story. Rather than demand that we get the spot instead of AC Milan, we opted to include the potential for a one-game playoff (which the VMSL had already implemented for the two teams who were on the bottom of div. 1 - they had a one-game playoff to decide who stayed up). In this light, it probably made the decision easier for the BCSA to "recommend" the idea for a one-game playoff for the spot. It was based on the whole "let the teams, not the executive, decide who gets promoted" argument. And it used a precedent that the VMSL already set.

I feel comfortable saying it now, two years after the fact, that the VMSL brass had their heads wedged firmly up their collective asses on this one. Someone on the executive felt so strongly about the merits of the two-sided division that they rejected their own constitutional bylaws in order to see that a div.1a team and a div.1b team would be promoted. Everything that was put in the protest was the same stuff we were explaining to anybody who would listen to us, after we found out Biminis weren't going to accept their spot in Premier. I distinctly remember the final of the div.1 Cup that year, when Reuben Tremarco was doing our trophy presentation. Several guys were asking him to consider the options we were presenting. A few days later, the VMSL website said that AC Milan had been promoted. That got the ball rolling for the protest.

 

[Gurps]

What do people think, should 2 teams with less points on Side B go DOWN, or should it be what is in the constitution, with the last place team on each side going DOWN. What is fair. I should start a POLL.

hos

The last place team on each side should go down. There is no way two teams on side B should go down. Who knows how much harder some of the side B teams may have tried knowing that they were not safe from relegation. I do not think the leage will do this, know matter how many letters people write in. The time to write letters was at the start of the season, not the end.

As for the Sporting situation, that was different. You had a team decline promotion. Way different situation. Unless someone declines relegation.

 

[Hands of Stone]

When we got the playoff game against ACM for promotion it was through an appeal to the BCSA.

Could this whole relegation issue go to the BCSA or even CSA for a ruling. I know that this situation is completly different, but never has there been such a drastic difference in points from one side to the other. How do the players or managers from Indo, Sap., and Peg feel about this whole issue. Anyhoo, it will be a very interesting battle on Side A for Relegation, often those games are the best of the year, with your Premier lives on the line. Funny thing is, those very important games are against the very weak Side B , could there be some upsets?

hos stirring it up

 

[Gurps]

Could this whole relegation issue go to the BCSA or even CSA for a ruling. I know that this situation is completly different, but never has there been such a drastic difference in points from one side to the other. How do the players or managers from Indo, Sap., and Peg feel about this whole issue. Anyhoo, it will be a very interesting battle on Side A for Relegation, often those games are the best of the year, with your Premier lives on the line. Funny thing is, those very important games are against the very weak Side B , could there be some upsets?

hos stirring it up

Yeah, but then Div 1 teams could start saying, "We have more points than the team that got promoted from the other side, we should move up." You would open up a huge can of worms. Kinda like saying the FVSL is better than the VMSL.

 

[mickster]

I seem to recall a few years back when Norvan actually had a premier that they tried to use the same arguement when relegated. They were the bottom team on one side but had more points than at least 2 teams (ok I think it was exactly 2 teams and not by much) on the other side. Norvan argued but to no avail, the constitution stood and they were relegated. Gurps is right, any changes have to be made prior to the season. But as has been said for years, the premier div should go back to 10 teams. Sort of like the nhl, not enough talent to go around....

 

[Regs]

While this is getting WAY off topic, why doesn't the league have a mini tourney with the top 2 Div 1 sides and the bottom 2 Premier sides to see who should stay in Premier for the following season?

This was done once before and the games were magic

I mean, Indo who is briefly in the relegation spot right now just thumped the Div 1 team that is coming up next year!
~Regs.

 

[knvb]

I feel like I just had this discussion in the dart threads... You can not change the rules mid-season because the "game" didn't turn out how you expected! Full-stop! Write till you're blue in the face and your hand cramps like, you've discovered lube, porn and masturbation all in one full swoop they're not going to do anything about it now. Changes need to be done BEFORE you start. I should hope I'm pointing out the obvious, but HOS is involved so you never really know.

I too think two sides are stupid. Start the bloody season sooner an be done with it. Imperial can also be played mid-week instead of wasting 4 weekends on it.

To be on topic: I'm not surprised Khalsa is out I'm surprised they made it this bloody far.