Time for new blood

[Can'tHeadABall]

Maybe it was because the higher level he was more into it.

I think you hit the nail on the head there FB. In the higher level, the players actually PLAY the game and there is no need for him to call the crap that happens behind the play and as we get in the lower levels, you actually get some real chumps playing and things happen behind the play. Thus, in the higher level, it is easier for him to ref a "brilliant game".

I also know that of the current MWSL crew, there is nobody more qualified and experienced to take charge of this League. He's a conflict resolution specialist, he's got more connections in the soccer world than we could shake a stick at, and he has some sense of vision.

I would agree with you on that note. Good luck with the rest of your season.

CHAB

 

[Soccer_fan]

The league has trouble getting two assistant just for premier games. There is a severe shortage of officials in the Lower Mainland/Fraser Valley, and it's made worse because more than a handful won't do womens games, won't do lower divisions, etc.

I will have to dispute your assertion. This is one of the biggest myths on the BC soccer referee world.
There is no real shortage of officials.

The "shortage" of officials is artificially created.
The senior guys know how to protect their turf.

Young and upcoming referees are discouraged or blocked by a variety of subtle ways.

If the directors would like to have referees that are more fit and younger, they could easily find them.

If teams want better referees, they should pressure the league to give only games to the referees that pass the physical tests. The teams also should make sure that the referee organizations are informed that the league needs refs and that spots will be awarded on merit.

Refs from the previous generations have a bias against women soccer, but refs fron the new generation rarely have this bias. The problem is that they are forced to sit around meanwhile the older ones get the opportunities.

Trust me. This has been discussed inside the referee circles, but things can not be changed if the teams themselves do not pressure for change.

 

[Captain Shamrock]

League has fined our club $25 for the caution that I allegedly received from Mr. Rogers. Referees can't be officially 'cautioned' so I have asked why we have been fined $25. Funny how the league hasn't responded to my question about what they did about the report I wrote about the ref in question??????? I'm still waiting a response from the league regarding the 'caution' I received.........Great stuff.

 

[coachrich]

League has fined our club $25 for the caution that I allegedly received from Mr. Rogers. Referees can't be officially 'cautioned' so I have asked why we have been fined $25. Funny how the league hasn't responded to my question about what they did about the report I wrote about the ref in question??????? I'm still waiting a response from the league regarding the 'caution' I received.........Great stuff.

Must be a new rule on page blank of the OR's

 

[Riderz18]

I didn't know there was a fine for a CAUTION????OR YELLOW CARD only a RED CARD.
Oh my I better check to see how much I owe the league........Not.

 

[Riderz18]

Does anyone else out there have webbed feet from all this rain? we should be wearing flippers when we play soccer these day's this is ridiculous! I have never played a season so full of rain outs.Can someone please turn off the tap and turn on the sunshine? Hopefully we will have sun for the Aldergrove Tournament in 3 weeks!

 

[Riderz18]

This is friggggin nuts all this rain! It has never been so bad........we need flippers to go out and play in this stuff.

We have 3 Cup games left to play and we have 2 make up games to get in but we only have 2 weekends left to use our field's so that really sucks.
MWSL would not let me schedule any make up games while cup play was being played but now how do we get them in when we have to play Cup?
What does Cup play stand for? If we win can the win go towards are league points? I ask but I get no guarentee only " dont worry you will get them in" And if we play a team we have a make up game with in Cup play then it could be used towards league points, great but no one we have a make up game with is in Cup play.
I would really like some concrete answers from MWSL. I dont think it is too much to ask for.

 

[cleats]

I'm thinking the best way to effect change is to find out when there is an agm or elections or whatever, post the time and date on ttp and then have players/people attend and make nominations, run for elections yada yada....

The two people in my humble opinion that have gotta go are John Jukes and Bob Cormack. I know John has his heart in the right place but he and Cormack's way of running things are just not efficient.

I had to use my mask & fins this weekend but managed to see one game completed out at Byrne Creek this past weekend.

 

[Riderz18]

I'm thinking the best way to effect change is to find out when there is an agm or elections or whatever, post the time and date on ttp and then have players/people attend and make nominations, run for elections yada yada....

The two people in my humble opinion that have gotta go are John Jukes and Bob Cormack. I know John has his heart in the right place but he and Cormack's way of running things are just not efficient.

I had to use my mask & fins this weekend but managed to see one game completed out at Byrne Creek this past weekend.

Yes I agree those are the 2 that have to go......now who will stand at the next election??
Step up to it people or things dont change.

If you got to play your lucky we were all ready with our flippers,goggles and oxygen tanks but game was cancelled before we got there.
Game opn this weekend and we cant wait!

 

[Captain Shamrock]

I will be sharing a very interesting e-mail from our league president very soon, once he responds to my question.....


Until then, does everyone else agree that a home and away game against each team is fair or is it okay to give a team two home games against the same team? Take into account that the team who has been asked to play two away games has a turf field available EVER week.

This league would rather give a 5:00 - 8:00 game on a Sunday night(traditional family night) than a 7:00 - 8:00 on a Friday night........but as long as you cater to your friends, everything is good.....


It's just starting now.............

 

[Wings]

One home and one away whenever possible...It just makes sense.

I can see where this is going though...and I will be surprised if you even get a response to your email, let alone a satisfactory explanation

 

[cleats]

Didn't I read somewhere that the MWSL didn't have the women play during Thanksgiving because, well, who would cook if the women were playing soccer????

If you use that same argument....wouldn't games on Sunday nights not be scheduled either, because, lthe traditional woman/family wants to be at home to cook, clean and tend to man/kids etc.....?????

That is MWSL hypocrysy for you.....on the one hand... women can't play at Thanksgiving because of traditional home values and the other hand, the traditional Sunday family evening, the women are scheduled to play

 

[Captain Shamrock]

Cleats, you're spot on. That's way things are at the moment.........still haven't heard about an e-mail which was sent to me this morning.....I'll wait a few more hours and see if we get a response. I'm just curious what some of the board members would think of this accusation.........at least that's the way I interpreted it.......

 

[Captain Shamrock]

Right, here are a few things that have happened over the last few days.......I'm just looking for your opinions on the stuff. There have been many more things documented over the season, which I have saved, but let's start here.

This e-mail was sent to our scheduler regarding the weekend. You have to remember that no one knew where they were playing until Tuesday morning.....which is already 2 days after league's official time of letting teams know at least 7 days in front......

Hi Leslie,

Gary(coach of opponents) said he couldn't make Friday night and we have too many players who had booked for Sunday morning at 9:15 so I guess our only option is to cancel the game. I told Gary I could get a midweek game on his practice night but I think he misunderstood and was just talking about a Friday night game. We are going to play a home game and I'm sure the league and yourself understand why a home game is the only fair way to go, especially when we can get a field. I know Gary understands that. Cheers.

Mr. Cormack's response

Stephen,

FYI. In the first round of the Cup knockout games a total of 8 games were played. In 7 of those games the visiting teams were winners. This included Westside Renegades who travelled to Chilliwack for a 10 AM game.

That would suggest a Home game is not an advantage unless .................................


When asked about what he meant, he didn't answer and really can't. Obviously an insinuation about?????Bob, you're reading this, can you answer here? You couldn't directly......


I'm sure most people on this site have had problems with the league in some way or another over the last lot of years. Here is latest in relation to these exchanges.....


The scheduler sent me an e-mail on the 12th and I'm only going to highlight part of it.

If you can't field a team for this weekends game let me know and I will
cancel the game.


It then states.....

If you wish to contact any of the teams you have make-ups with and see if
they can play on the Friday night, please do so and let me know so I can
schedule the ref. I don't have time to do that.

Nowhere does it mention a forfeit.......the Mr. Cormack sticks his nose in. He is not the scheduler of the league for the record but gets involved for no reason. Here is Mr. President's response.....Ah, control......must be a great thing.


Stephen and RGSA Club Ireland Management,

This is the Metro Women's Soccer League and we are in charge of scheduling
games, Home and Away, not any team coach, manager or Club person. The game
this weekend was scheduled on Monday by the Scheduler and it is to be played
on Sunday morning at Cariboo Hill High School AT field.

Stephen, if you cannot or will not field a team let us know now. If your
team does not show up to play the game, it will go down as a default win for
Burnaby Canadians Selects. End of discussion.

Bob Cormack, President
Metro Womens Soccer League


We told the scheduler we wouldn't be able to right away. Mr. Cormack put his foot down on behalf of the Metro Womens Soccer League because he wanted to make it look like he didn't make the decision himself, especially when the scheduler had already told us it was okay.

I should preface this e-mail with what I had sent to the Burnaby coach.........


Gary, we are not playing playing on Sunday because we were expecting to
> play a Friday night game. We're in the same boat and Leslie(the
> scheduler) said she would cancel game if we couldn't field a team either.
> So we're in the same boat. That is the way it is. We will have to play a
> home game at some point. Remember that I said we could get a night game
> ANY night of the week at this point. It doesn't have to be on a Friday.
> Please let me know which night works for you(Wednesday is your practice
> night so that might be a logical night so you know you have players
> available) and I will organize it immediately.
>
> BTW, I hope your girls are okay, Gary(two girls were injured over the last week)



Anyone else had 'threats'/problems like this in their time in the MWSL. It really is a shame there is no option. Perhaps a move to a summer league might be an option......but let's see where this goes.

I'll add things over the next few days. I'm sure Mr. Cormack wouldn't mind.


Anyone hear about teams getting games postponed because of having fundraisers the night before? I know Mr. Cormack knew about it.

 

[cleats]

that is absolutely f%%$^& bull sh*&^%^%t.

Since when did the MWSL resort to using bullish, dictatorial tactics

 

[Riderz18]

I will be sharing a very interesting e-mail from our league president very soon, once he responds to my question.....


Until then, does everyone else agree that a home and away game against each team is fair or is it okay to give a team two home games against the same team? Take into account that the team who has been asked to play two away games has a turf field available EVER week.

This league would rather give a 5:00 - 8:00 game on a Sunday night(traditional family night) than a 7:00 - 8:00 on a Friday night........but as long as you cater to your friends, everything is good.....


It's just starting now.............

Ok first off the only games that should be played Sunday nights are if you are in a Tournament and you knew before hand that was what the schedule was going to be.....second is if and when all team players from both sides had notice and have agreed to play on a Sunday night. But it should not be done without mutual consent by both team's. And what is wrong with playing on a week night if possible?Basically if there is a field and we have notice (a week in advance) why not play?Regular game day's are Sunday's and it is nice to have a planned day we play on but when it comes to having to make up games we should be allowed to play whenever as long as we can get a field.We all know this is a possibility when we joined the league and if players cant make it you have options like signing players for Cup play or take a default.

 

[Riderz18]

Right, here are a few things that have happened over the last few days.......I'm just looking for your opinions on the stuff. There have been many more things documented over the season, which I have saved, but let's start here.

This e-mail was sent to our scheduler regarding the weekend. You have to remember that no one knew where they were playing until Tuesday morning.....which is already 2 days after league's official time of letting teams know at least 7 days in front......

Hi Leslie,

Gary(coach of opponents) said he couldn't make Friday night and we have too many players who had booked for Sunday morning at 9:15 so I guess our only option is to cancel the game. I told Gary I could get a midweek game on his practice night but I think he misunderstood and was just talking about a Friday night game. We are going to play a home game and I'm sure the league and yourself understand why a home game is the only fair way to go, especially when we can get a field. I know Gary understands that. Cheers.

Mr. Cormack's response

Stephen,

FYI. In the first round of the Cup knockout games a total of 8 games were played. In 7 of those games the visiting teams were winners. This included Westside Renegades who travelled to Chilliwack for a 10 AM game.

That would suggest a Home game is not an advantage unless .................................


When asked about what he meant, he didn't answer and really can't. Obviously an insinuation about?????Bob, you're reading this, can you answer here? You couldn't directly......


I'm sure most people on this site have had problems with the league in some way or another over the last lot of years. Here is latest in relation to these exchanges.....


The scheduler sent me an e-mail on the 12th and I'm only going to highlight part of it.

If you can't field a team for this weekends game let me know and I will
cancel the game.


It then states.....

If you wish to contact any of the teams you have make-ups with and see if
they can play on the Friday night, please do so and let me know so I can
schedule the ref. I don't have time to do that.

Nowhere does it mention a forfeit.......the Mr. Cormack sticks his nose in. He is not the scheduler of the league for the record but gets involved for no reason. Here is Mr. President's response.....Ah, control......must be a great thing.


Stephen and RGSA Club Ireland Management,

This is the Metro Women's Soccer League and we are in charge of scheduling
games, Home and Away, not any team coach, manager or Club person. The game
this weekend was scheduled on Monday by the Scheduler and it is to be played
on Sunday morning at Cariboo Hill High School AT field.

Stephen, if you cannot or will not field a team let us know now. If your
team does not show up to play the game, it will go down as a default win for
Burnaby Canadians Selects. End of discussion.

Bob Cormack, President
Metro Womens Soccer League


We told the scheduler we wouldn't be able to right away. Mr. Cormack put his foot down on behalf of the Metro Womens Soccer League because he wanted to make it look like he didn't make the decision himself, especially when the scheduler had already told us it was okay.

I should preface this e-mail with what I had sent to the Burnaby coach.........


Gary, we are not playing playing on Sunday because we were expecting to
> play a Friday night game. We're in the same boat and Leslie(the
> scheduler) said she would cancel game if we couldn't field a team either.
> So we're in the same boat. That is the way it is. We will have to play a
> home game at some point. Remember that I said we could get a night game
> ANY night of the week at this point. It doesn't have to be on a Friday.
> Please let me know which night works for you(Wednesday is your practice
> night so that might be a logical night so you know you have players
> available) and I will organize it immediately.
>
> BTW, I hope your girls are okay, Gary(two girls were injured over the last week)



Anyone else had 'threats'/problems like this in their time in the MWSL. It really is a shame there is no option. Perhaps a move to a summer league might be an option......but let's see where this goes.

I'll add things over the next few days. I'm sure Mr. Cormack wouldn't mind.


Anyone hear about teams getting games postponed because of having fundraisers the night before? I know Mr. Cormack knew about it.

I am so not alone here I thought I was the only one getting threats from Bob Cormack.....I think I should be saving his emails the last one was the best when he told me to Back off!!! I was trying to schedule a make up game with Leslie as told we could do when he stepped in and said it was not going to happen because we had a cup game to play too......but who cares we play Tournaments on weekends its not like we can only play one game a weekend.If we have a team that wants to play why the hell not?Besides the other team was much younger than us and if we are willing to play whats the big deal?
Nope he said no and I was to "Back off".
I also had told Leslie that we too have a field for wednesday nights instead of practice to play a make up game but I have not yet heard anything about that possibility.And we could have done that way back in February or basically anytime so really there is no need to have make up games.
Bob needs to stick to his duties as President and let those in charge of other duites get them done he is going to have a freakin melt down because he cant do everything.Delegate and let the delegated people do their job's and butt out Bob.

 

[munchkin]

I'm in agreement that this is getting frustrating to say the least, but I wonder why some teams are geting games cancelled to be re-scheduled, and others are being told they are having to forfeit? There is no consistency.

The game I am thinking of is the Div. One make-up betw. Kerrisdale and Club Ireland. The scheduler made the game for Sunday at noon at S.W. Memorial, which is not Club Ireland's home field (and it was their turn for home field), but it was on a Sunday day time. This is a normal play day for almost all teams, but when Club I couldn't field the team, the game got cancelled, not forfeited. Not that I mind, because I think this will be a great match-up if we ever get the game in, but I wonder why there is no consistency???? But this is the MWSL, so perhaps I should just give up asking WHY!

Oh well, Happy Spring Break everybody.

 

[coachrich]

1st year MWSL'er observations & opinion -

1. 1st observation & frustraton is that there is no comprehesive Operating Rules. If you look at youth leagues Guidebooks, everything is there for all to see & be guided by. A lot of what is discussed here on TTP & in numerous Emails to the League are just a waste of time for vollies when a Guidebook would spell things out for all.

2. Scheduling a season is a tough job but w/ only 200 teams & numerous years of operation, 1 would think things would be simpler. Again if youth leagues says 5 District with 660 teams & 1 scheduler can schedule for the whole season & do revisions along the way due to snow why can a 200 team league do it. There's lots of league scheduling software out there to make life easy.

3. Scheduling games should be home & away if you are playing a team 2x. Only difference should be if one team plays on a AT as too many MWSL games are on efficient fields that burnt out, not sand celled & can't handle the littlest bit of rain.

Our team has been lucky in that we've only had 1 game to drive early morning only to find both Wesburn fields toast.....should have been a decision made on Friday to not play rather than blow the girls time on Sunday.

4. Scheduling & field management is something every team that is in an adult league should be concerned w/ especially if you live in Van where they have 1 AT for 10,000 soccer players & 50,000 field users. Places like Richmond have 600 players per AT, & Burnaby is not that far behind.

What alikira & a few others are doing by scheduling games on Friday evenings is a smart use of fields because most cities are being asked to do the following w/ fields -

a. youth comes first, then others
b. gender equity (males on sat & females on sun)
c. fields go to local youth first, then others

Hence adult leagues need to be more creative & flexible w/ the fields they have. Also to get involved in helping youth soccer districts & clubs in getting more AT fields as youth has the emotional & numbers leverage to get politicans to wake up & do something.

5. changing things in the league will only come about when several key things take place -

a. get a copy of the constitution
b. get a copy of the financials
c. talk to BCSA Member Services
d. rally the troops per the constitution to get new leaders who fit the changes that you want on the board. Generally most soccer leagues, districts & clubs rotate 1/2 their board out each year unless the consitution is not the norm.
e. rally the troops to table per the constitution changes

6. Leagues, Districts & Clubs are there to service the members but politics take place when turf or the status quo is being protected for some reason whether it's the better fields, marketshare of players for paid head coaches or operating revenues, control of player & team development & the list goes on.

One key point of politics, is that it only gets worse when the vollies are short staffed & are getting burnt out. Sometimes leagues, districts & clubs blow up only to rise from the ashes once again but it's a lot of work.

Bottomline in dealing w/ Leagues, Districts & Clubs is insuring that rules & policies are in black & white as it makes life easy for everyone from player to coach to Ref to Board Member. Surprisingly, BCSA has done a decent job of papering everything it just takes time to read it all.

Anyway, no game this weekend or during the week as the only teams we can play out of cup are scheduled vs one other. Such is life in the MWSL

 

[Captain Shamrock]

Good post, Coachrich.


The league has given the Burnaby coach and I the opportunity to reschedule the game, which is what we were doing before all this. They think this is the only way to deal with the situation, which is fair enough. Now, we have to get a night/day for their team to play on.......If this doesn't happen, that could be very tricky........We'll try and work a date out tomorrow morning before the St. Patrick's Day festivities.