Captain Shamrock
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So realistically, the big clubs will benefit the most from this? Or is that not the point of this?
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bettermirror
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I guess you have to define "benefit" don't you? But HPL will start with the big clubs because they have the infrastructure and reputation to attract players.
They also have a collection of successful coach's and management with experience/certificates.
These clubs already run at a standard on and off the field that most of the other programs don't and/or can't run at.
With no reason or consequence, why would there be a reason to change to keep pace with the higher standard clubs?
I really think that people need to get out and see how these other clubs are run. There is a massive difference not only on the field.
These clubs already run at a standard on and off the field that most of the other programs don't and/or can't run at.
With no reason or consequence, why would there be a reason to change to keep pace with the higher standard clubs?
I really think that people need to get out and see how these other clubs are run. There is a massive difference not only on the field.
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Bettermirror I do understand that you are for HPL. And big clubs ar in, Metro For is one Surrey FC is second. Jeff Clark is pushing hard to be part of it. He is one of those 12 guys trying to make this league go. Upper guys will do anything for money. As you know it is all bro system. Also Delrymple from Whitecaps group is part of it. It is all good as long as the league belongs to BC Soccer and not to some Pro Club group. I am only scared of control of local kids with those guys learking in. They all love good paying jobs. What better way to make money.
In my opinion it is an improvment to Metro program. I can see lots of guys jumping ship from one league to onother.
In my opinion it is an improvment to Metro program. I can see lots of guys jumping ship from one league to onother.
bettermirror
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Base - what is your concern regarding the Whitecaps being involved? I don't have an opinion either way.
My sense after reading the comments from the above names ( and others ) in the HPL proposal is there is a genuine desire to move soccer forward in BC. Many of these people have all had their issues with BC soccer in the past but realize we need to move it forward and change things?
What I hope is that with the MLS in town there will be a "new investment" in soccer which will benefit all levels. I think it would be fair to say that the cost to play in this league should eventually be minimal if it works and is successful.
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Bettermirror this my consern. Whitecaps are a Pro club. If they run the league every player belongs to them. If Edmonton FC wants a player money takes place. Kids will get hurt. Main club will send their kids first, player will be over looked due to in club politics.
Only if BC Soccer puts four people as a governing boddy and each club has one person rep that it will be OK. With a vote troubles can be over turned. Kids come from club development. In orther to colm things down it is a must. Most important factor is, each player that has talent has to be given equal chance. That was not the case in last twenty years. Thank god for Toronto FC and Montreal FC Canadian kids have a place to play. And now with Edmonton going forward it is a good thing.
Only if BC Soccer puts four people as a governing boddy and each club has one person rep that it will be OK. With a vote troubles can be over turned. Kids come from club development. In orther to colm things down it is a must. Most important factor is, each player that has talent has to be given equal chance. That was not the case in last twenty years. Thank god for Toronto FC and Montreal FC Canadian kids have a place to play. And now with Edmonton going forward it is a good thing.
bettermirror
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I hear ya, Mr. Base. Not sure I agree with you, but I hear you.
bettermirror
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Base - read the links attached to find answers or your concerns/questions re: WHITECAPS involvement.
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Specifically PG 2 of JULY 21: http://www.bcsoccer.net/bcsa/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=59sqKC91Wgs=&tabid=298
Welcome to the VYSA
Specifically PG 2 of JULY 21: http://www.bcsoccer.net/bcsa/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=59sqKC91Wgs=&tabid=298
Thanks to WFC who had to find paid jobs to some of their players (at that time) Vancouver Selects and North Shore Selects ended up paying around $1,500 for metro season. In this HPL proposal I see again WFC personnel. Coincidence!?
Whenever WFC puts its nose in youth soccer the parents end up paying more and more.
bettermirror
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$15000 to coach a team of 16 players....not a bad part-time job....
No, it is not off topic. HPL is exactly about that: finding another way how to charge parents a premium for something that is being presented as an "elite" league although it is just a slightly modified metro/selects league, nothing else.
bettermirror
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You are quite the cynic RL - it couldn't possibly be about developing players for university, professional, and international soccer could it? And then paying the coaches who are best equipped to assist that development?
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In my opinion, you are just not getting a huge leap in development with this new format. There will still be a Provincial team, just like there is now, there will still be NTC training, just like now, and teams will probably play in Showcase tourneys, just like most good Metro/Selects teams do now. Players also have the option of going to academys, development camps, etc. on their own time to improve themselves. Remember, not every boy and girl in Metro/Selects wants to play soccer 10 or 11 months a year even if they are decent players. They have other interests or sports in the spring/summer. I know of one top 3 girls Metro team that has 4 girls who will choose to drop down a division and play in the winter because they play ball and do track and field. You combine that with players not playing because of the cost, you then get a dilution of the talent pool, and now it's not as elite as stated. It's entirely possible that you could see a couple of"Gold" teams being better than a couple of the weaker "Elite" teams. As was said earlier, most of the players in the HPL will come from the top teams that you can go watch right now. When it comes to university sholarships, players have to be proactive. They have to contact coaches, tell them about themselves, tell them where/when they're playing, and invite them out for a look because they don't show up out of the blue. Playing in the HPL won't change that. I just feel sorry for those parents that are fooled (or have wishful thinking) into paying all that money and then watch their kid sit on the bench a ton when he/she should be playing down a division, playing all the time, and for 1/4 of the cost.
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I say, if a kid is sitting on the bench a tonne then the coaches have let him down by selecting him in the first place. The HPL will require "minimum" roster sizes" (which my guess is will be 14 or 15)? No need to really carry more than that as there will be permits from the lower levels available.
Re: kids quitting for other sports - well this is a reality....in every other part of the country the kids have to choose. Why should BC be any different? BC (lower mainland actually) needs to align itself.
Re: kids quitting for other sports - well this is a reality....in every other part of the country the kids have to choose. Why should BC be any different? BC (lower mainland actually) needs to align itself.
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Wao you guys are making alot of sence here. You guys new all along that it is about money. With that money your youngster will get better coaching than some parent. Kids from gold will get a chance to move up. Kids from silver will do the same. In shot time parents and kids will be talking about it spreading word. New life to many youngsters that perhaps were bored where they played. New chalange will keap kids in soccer. It will also make many coaches in lower levels think how they coach, there is hope here yet. Only one thing that I am consened here is, where the hack are they going to get the playing fields with all these senior leagues and over fourty and over fifty guys and ladies.
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