Div 2 [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - Nov & Dec 2006

[bonefish]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

GD's 2 - Norvan 1

An intense even match which saw two early offsetting penalties converted. The reffing was not up to par for the level of play and was a factor in scoring but not neccesarily the result as calls were equally blown on several occasions. The GD's took the lead on a shot that had some prayers given it as one of their players turned at the top corner of the 18 and volleyed a looping rainbow kick that found the far corner of the net. JB's had some opportunties to score and the GD's had some glory chances but the 2-1 scoreline remained to the final whistle. The GD's have a solid side and would represent even better if a select few of their players left the shirtpulling at home. Hello Div 2, 2007-08 this is Norvan, over...

 

[bonefish]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

LegendKiller,

There is a certain point where one must draw the line on pointless, unnecessary, off-topic, tasteless commentary. Everyone is guilty of it at times but more the point is that this is specific thread is about soccer and more specifically, Div 2 predictions and results. If you feel the need to assail someone with your off-color and often poorly thought out comments that are polluting this thread, create your own thread in the General Forum. Out of the 16 posts you have todate, at least half of them are garbage. We, the community here, like that you have taken interest in coming to the board, but the line has been crossed.

Do I need to say more?

-Moderator-

 

[Therapist]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

Hopefully the GD's can play like they did last night when they meet Romania. I think they could take some pts from Romania.
I agree with your assessment Bonefish. Shotty reffing which didn't factor in the outcome. GD's were full marks for the win. We couldn't finish our chances.

 

[Green D]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

GD's 2 - Norvan 1

An intense even match which saw two early offsetting penalties converted. The reffing was not up to par for the level of play and was a factor in scoring but not neccesarily the result as calls were equally blown on several occasions. The GD's took the lead on a shot that had some prayers given it as one of their players turned at the top corner of the 18 and volleyed a looping rainbow kick that found the far corner of the net. JB's had some opportunties to score and the GD's had some glory chances but the 2-1 scoreline remained to the final whistle. The GD's have a solid side and would represent even better if a select few of their players left the shirtpulling at home. Hello Div 2, 2007-08 this is Norvan, over...

Great match overall, good intensity, we came out of the gate very confused with a new team system in place...
The reffing not up to par was an understatement, each week and each new ref seems to bring the reffing to a new low, but I agree that it didn't change the outcome.
Our prayers were answered with a beautiful goal that our striker is capable of repeating for those who don't believe it wasn't a fluke.
Once we settled into the system, we took control of the game with a number of blown opportunities. Norvan created little through the run of play but created many moments on the corner with kicks or long throws, keeping us nervous all game.
As for the shirt pulling comment, you can apply it to half of your teams flailing elbows and the occaisional rugby tackle...
On the upside though, thanks to the reffing this game could have easily gotten way out of hand, but two relatively classy sides were competitive and kept things within reason...

Welcome to the forum. C'mon DEVILS!

 

[HAGI]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

As for the shirt pulling comment, you can apply it to half of your teams flailing elbows and the occaisional rugby tackle...

I noticed that there are some bitter opinions against FC Romania, and I don’t think they are fair.
Well, if shirt pulling, flailing elbows and rugby tackling is part of the soccer game, than diving is too. Almost all the professional soccer players use them during a game, maybe except rugby tackling, so I don’t understand what you have against diving. It’s not that it ever helped us win a game, we never got a penalty kick from a dive, none of you guys were given a card for our dives (not a red one anyway), so I don’t understand all this fuss about it. And mind you, only few players apply it, maybe the ones with more soccer experience.
Like you guys, we like to be the best in what we do, and knowing and using all the available tricks of the game is a good advantage.

The most important thing is, no matter what, we love the game, we have a reasonably solid team for this division, and hopefully some of you noticed that on the field too, not only the diving.

Peace.

 

[Therapist]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

You have a good squad, but when guys go down grabbing their legs pretending they are hurt, rolling around for a minute or so, only to jump up and be totally fine..........that pisses alot of peeps off. Granted some of you didn't do that, but unfortunately it was overshadowed by the ones that were doing it. Plus it was those same guys that behind the refs back were throwing elbows or hacking. I'm not the only one that has mentioned it. But that was yesterday.......and we look forward to the next match on turf. Best of the luck the rest of the way out.

 

[bonefish]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

[Almost all the professional soccer players use them during a game, maybe except rugby tackling, so I don’t understand what you have against diving.

Hagi,

Your homework for today is to go on google and search the terms: World Cup, Soccer, Diving, Farce, or World Cup, Diving, Portugual or any like combination. Do some reading, and try to guage the overall sentiment of fans, and players. I am sure you will find that the distaste for those tatics voiced by people in this forum are the same across the world.

The aforementioned rugby tackles were face to face challenges, and the elbows were not attempts to behead the opposing player. I think Green D was reaching a bit in describing some chippy play that arose in a hotly contested game.

You do have a skilled team and it is a challenge containing all of your scoring threats. The embellishing of fouls and feigning of injury is detestable and if you ask 9 out 10 footballers(rugby players ) in this league, they will tell you the same thing.

 

[BlazeArmy]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

Hagi,

We don't like the font you use either.

 

[HAGI]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

I think looking at diving is a matter of perception. Personally, I’m not too thrilled about it, but I’m also not trilled about all the nasty bruises that I get after almost every game. During the summer we played in Multicultural Soccer Association, in the first division, where the teams have mostly Spanish players, nobody ever mentioned about diving because for them it’s a part of the game too. I think you are more attracted to the English soccer, which is more aggressive and more physical, and let’s face it, you are athletically built for this type of game.
I personally prefer to watch soccer games from Spain or Italy, which have more skilled players. I’m sure you have seen Ronaldinho trying a dive from time to time, but it doesn’t mean that he is not a great player or he is detestable.

Everybody noticed that the referees are not up to the challenge in this division. Actually, I think that most of them don’t even know the rules of the game, which is pretty scary. How would you expect to hold a game in their hands if they don’t have the basic tolls for it??!!

BlazeArmy, I hope you noticed how thoughtful I was to change the font for you .

Best of luck to all of you.

 

[Green D]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

I noticed that there are some bitter opinions against FC Romania, and I don’t think they are fair.
Well, if shirt pulling, flailing elbows and rugby tackling is part of the soccer game, than diving is too.
Like you guys, we like to be the best in what we do, and knowing and using all the available tricks of the game is a good advantage.
The most important thing is, no matter what, we love the game, we have a reasonably solid team for this division, and hopefully some of you noticed that on the field too, not only the diving.

Peace.

The shirt pulling, elbows and rugby tackles were nowhere near the extent of your classless diving and injury feigning but unfortunately you have to add spitting at faces and other wonderful "available tricks" to your repertoire and try and live with them.
You have a solid team with a few really good players, and very little class. As I mentioned about the GD JB game, the reffing was so bad that the game should've got out of control, but both teams kept things within reason by themselves. The fouls in our game were committed in the heat of the game, they weren't a cheating strategy and neither we nor Bonefish are defending any of the fouls as a premeditated tactic. You on the other hand in your usual classless fashion are trying to defend your teams antics as good strategy...

Bonefish, I feel the shirt pulling comment was an equal stretch, as it was only 2 or 3 players on a few occasions and the same can be said about 2 or 3 of your players going up for headers elbows up... but I'm sure it's all about perspective... I'll leave it at it was a good game and I respect your team and it's great work ethic.

 

[Green D]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

I think looking at diving is a matter of perception. Personally, I’m not too thrilled about it, but I’m also not trilled about all the nasty bruises that I get after almost every game. During the summer we played in Multicultural Soccer Association, in the first division, where the teams have mostly Spanish players, nobody ever mentioned about diving because for them it’s a part of the game too. I think you are more attracted to the English soccer, which is more aggressive and more physical, and let’s face it, you are athletically built for this type of game.
I personally prefer to watch soccer games from Spain or Italy, which have more skilled players. I’m sure you have seen Ronaldinho trying a dive from time to time, but it doesn’t mean that he is not a great player or he is detestable.

Everybody noticed that the referees are not up to the challenge in this division. Actually, I think that most of them don’t even know the rules of the game, which is pretty scary. How would you expect to hold a game in their hands if they don’t have the basic tolls for it??!!

BlazeArmy, I hope you noticed how thoughtful I was to change the font for you .

Best of luck to all of you.

Well reading this response shows me that you personally deserve a little more respect than your team, but your logic is flawed. You can't justify doing something wrong by pointing at a professional league and saying everyone there is doing it so it we're right. It's what a little kid would say if he gets caught doing something wrong, "well everyone else was doing it", and then your mom bitchslaps you and says "if everyone else was jumping of a bridge would you?"
I think even you have to agree that if the Italian and Spanish league players were somehow able to eliminate diving from their game it would be a better game to watch. It's not the diving that makes it fun to watch, it's speed and individual skill.
And finally I'll add that, as you pointed out the ref's are terrible in this league, so because we all know this we need to take some level of responsibility ourselves to try and self govern the game, not to try and take advantage of the crappy ref's and no linesmen and cheat more.

 

[HAGI]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

The shirt pulling, elbows and rugby tackles were nowhere near the extent of your classless diving and injury feigning but unfortunately you have to add spitting at faces and other wonderful "available tricks" to your repertoire and try and live with them.
You have a solid team with a few really good players, and very little class. As I mentioned about the GD JB game, the reffing was so bad that the game should've got out of control, but both teams kept things within reason by themselves. The fouls in our game were committed in the heat of the game, they weren't a cheating strategy and neither we nor Bonefish are defending any of the fouls as a premeditated tactic. You on the other hand in your usual classless fashion are trying to defend your teams antics as good strategy...

Bonefish, I feel the shirt pulling comment was an equal stretch, as it was only 2 or 3 players on a few occasions and the same can be said about 2 or 3 of your players going up for headers elbows up... but I'm sure it's all about perspective... I'll leave it at it was a good game and I respect your team and it's great work ethic.

You are saying that diving is cheating, then what is shirt pulling, throwing elbows and going for the legs of the opponent, not for the ball? They are all in the same category. Do not try to make yourself look like a moral soccer player. When you go cleats first to get the opponent’s leg, not the ball, I don’t think you can talk about morality. And what do you think it’s more aggressive and against your ideal game, a dive or an attempt to break an opponent’s leg?
Professional players are taught how to dive or simulate from young ages, it’s part of the training to become complete soccer players, but obviously you couldn’t know that because you never played this sport at professional level. They also learn that losing is part of the game too. Maybe it’s time for you to learn that as well. You are like a kid who goes to his mom and say: “Mommy, I don’t want to play soccer anymore, those guys are mean and are diving”.
I’m not talking about the morality of diving or any other trick of the game, and I think you should first take a look in the mirror before pointing the finger and saying that a certain team deserves your respect or not.

At the end, use these links; they are part of our training. I know I reveal one of our precious secrets, but maybe you want to learn the art of diving too.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccDyp2aRRCg&mode=related&search"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccDyp2aRRCg&mode=related&search[/ame]=
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMlxVhQUlzw&mode=related&search"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMlxVhQUlzw&mode=related&search[/ame]=
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKUV0JIqVnY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKUV0JIqVnY[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lCO_dYtT7Y&mode=related&search"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lCO_dYtT7Y&mode=related&search[/ame]=
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI3uOFu8-WM&mode=related&search"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI3uOFu8-WM&mode=related&search[/ame]=

We try our best to ignore this one: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVlrH_vf6k4&mode=related&search"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVlrH_vf6k4&mode=related&search[/ame]=

And one of the situations diving is not recommended:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pd07vLBpRQ&mode=related&search"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pd07vLBpRQ&mode=related&search[/ame]=


Cheers

 

[Green D]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

You are saying that diving is cheating, then what is shirt pulling, throwing elbows and going for the legs of the opponent, not for the ball? They are all in the same category. Do not try to make yourself look like a moral soccer player. When you go cleats first to get the opponent’s leg, not the ball, I don’t think you can talk about morality. And what do you think it’s more aggressive and against your ideal game, a dive or an attempt to break an opponent’s leg?
Professional players are taught how to dive or simulate from young ages, it’s part of the training to become complete soccer players, but obviously you couldn’t know that because you never played this sport at professional level. They also learn that losing is part of the game too. Maybe it’s time for you to learn that as well. You are like a kid who goes to his mom and say: “Mommy, I don’t want to play soccer anymore, those guys are mean and are diving”.
I’m not talking about the morality of diving or any other trick of the game, and I think you should first take a look in the mirror before pointing the finger and saying that a certain team deserves your respect or not.

At the end, use these links; they are part of our training. I know I reveal one of our precious secrets, but maybe you want to learn the art of diving too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccDyp2aRRCg&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMlxVhQUlzw&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKUV0JIqVnY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lCO_dYtT7Y&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI3uOFu8-WM&mode=related&search=

We try our best to ignore this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVlrH_vf6k4&mode=related&search=

And one of the situations diving is not recommended:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pd07vLBpRQ&mode=related&search=


Cheers

I now withdraw my previous comment that you personally deserve respect.
On what grounds are you saying that I enter tackles studs up attempting to break legs? Also you assume to know a lot about what levels I have reached in competitive soccer. Interesting that you can make the statements considering you don't even know who I am.
Also when you reread my previous posts, you will note that I never make any attempt to defend shirt pulling, elbowing, or rugby tackling. I stated that yes in the heat of the game things do happen, but what you are trying to defend is to enter the game with a strategy that is against the rules of the game.
The fact that you are winning has nothing to do with it I have already said that you are a good team with a couple of very good players, a team of assholes is a team of assholes, whether they are in first or last place.

That said some of those links were damn funny

 

[HAGI]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

I now withdraw my previous comment that you personally deserve respect.
On what grounds are you saying that I enter tackles studs up attempting to break legs? Also you assume to know a lot about what levels I have reached in competitive soccer. Interesting that you can make the statements considering you don't even know who I am.
Also when you reread my previous posts, you will note that I never make any attempt to defend shirt pulling, elbowing, or rugby tackling. I stated that yes in the heat of the game things do happen, but what you are trying to defend is to enter the game with a strategy that is against the rules of the game.
The fact that you are winning has nothing to do with it I have already said that you are a good team with a couple of very good players, a team of assholes is a team of assholes, whether they are in first or last place.

That said some of those links were damn funny

You can stop the debate about the respect that you think I or we, as a team, deserve. I, we, really don’t care. I’m not looking for your respect, I’m far more confident with myself than that, I’m only trying to help you understand this game.

I’m not saying that you are the one that tackles studs up attempting to break legs, because, as you said, I don’t know you. I was generalizing, as you did with our team.
I’m sure however that you never trained like a professional soccer player, only seeing your winning and frustration about the diving. More than that, do you really think that diving could be a strategy for a game??? For what purpose would that be, to piss the opponents off, to make them lose their temper and their capacity to play the game? If you would have such a strategy, what outcome would you expect? I would be curious to find out, as you just said that the fact that we are winning doesn’t have anything to do with our diving. You just don’t get that it is a PART OF THE GAME. You watched all those videos with famous professional players using dives in their play, and you still don’t get it. You do agree that shirt pulling and rugby tackling happen in the heat of the game, but you cannot see diving in the same equation. It’s not a strategy, it’s a reflex, a habit that was impregnated from years of training and game experience. That’s why you only see it at few players. Do you think it’s easy to do it in a game? Just try it and let me know.
And if you played at a professional level and my assumptions were wrong, I apologize. You never know, maybe you were used to it and now you find it repulsive. It happens…

Enough about diving, the subject used too much of our energy.

Your team is one of the best team we ever played against, and I’m saying that because it’s very rare for us to score only a goal in a game. You gave us a lot of headaches and the final score was just a result of your keeper’s mistake. I personally noticed the two inner midfielders who are very good, and who use shirt pulling as part of the game.
Best of luck the rest of the way.

Cheers

P.S. I just want to make it clear, I’m not defending actions like spitting and kicking the opponent behind the ref’s back. I find them as repulsive as you do, even if one or two of my teammates used them in the past. I hope you won’t see anything like that happening in the future.

 

[bandcamp]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

So if you dive to gain advantage over your opponent...what's up with the feigned injury after? Is that for dramatic flair? Either you drew the foul on the dive or you didn't so if you're not hurt - why have a cry? Is it so next time the ref will buy it again?

Of all the crap that goes on on a soccer field (spitting, shirt pulling etc) it's the diving that makes our sport the laughing stock of all people not connected to our game. Have you ever spoken about soccer to a non-fan? Inevitably the conversation always goes to "what's up with the diving and rolling around like your dead thing?" So congratulations to you for using it to get an advantage...keep up the good work

 

[Konk]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

So if you dive to gain advantage over your opponent...what's up with the feigned injury after? Is that for dramatic flair? Either you drew the foul on the dive or you didn't so if you're not hurt - why have a cry? Is it so next time the ref will buy it again?

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The "cry" is a sure sign that the player is trying to trick the ref. If you're really hurt it takes a couple of seconds for the pain to register. You don't instantly cry out. I wish refs would recognize this. That being said, good teams will always try and bend the rules. For instance, look at the NHL and the success of teams like the NJ Devils using clutching and grabbing. That brought about rule changes in that league - maybe something similar will happen in soccer with the diving, but I doubt it.

 

[Gigi_Becali]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

The "cry" is a sure sign that the player is trying to trick the ref. If you're really hurt it takes a couple of seconds for the pain to register. You don't instantly cry out. I wish refs would recognize this. That being said, good teams will always try and bend the rules. For instance, look at the NHL and the success of teams like the NJ Devils using clutching and grabbing. That brought about rule changes in that league - maybe something similar will happen in soccer with the diving, but I doubt it.

Hopefully no hockey rule will be implemented in soccer.

HAGI, stop wasting your time here, lets go and post in the div 1 thread.

Ne sugeti pula! Forza Romania!

 

[DevilsDisciple]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

To my fellow Group C Football Players and Teams.

Please make note of the previous quote from Romania as a slap in the face.

"HAGI, stop wasting your time here, lets go and post in the div 1 thread"

I will be printing this quote out and "making copies". They will be posted on the back of each GD player during practice. If your in Group C and want to play the role of spoiler or if your in the run for promotion take that comment to heart.

On a second note, our game against the JB's on monday night.
I don't think there was a break in the action. End to End action for 90 mins, their #12 is a good player so is the goalie. They should have been awarded two penality shots not just one. The one not called was twice as bad as the first, ref finally decided to put the whislte away. JB's goalie had no real chance on the two shots.

Legend something shut up!

 

[bonefish]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

They should have been awarded two penality shots not just one. The one not called was twice as bad as the first...

Damnit D.Disciple, I was trying to forget about that! If only...
Now that bitter taste of defeat is going to linger a little bit longer. Thanks...not.
Hopefully the boys will put in a good effort tomorrow night under the lights and in the forecasted downpour to get some more points!!

Gigi,

Nice comeback but you just p/o'd a whole lot of Green shirts and others who are going to try and take the piss out of your prognostication on the field. Lock and load, Target acquired, Weapons Free.

 

[dr.j]

Re: [VMSL Division 2] Results, Banter & Predictions - November 2006

And the winner for the best Train impersonation 2006-2007 is...