Div 2 [FVSL Div 2] Results & Banter November 2009

[Love the Game]

Actually, Mr. Zidanefan, the player who took out the Red Devils keeper shouldn't even be in this league. What player goes into an exposed keeper with his cleats on a 50/50 ball? I've only seen this in bush league, so what is he doing in this league? Studs against flesh??? Any player with a minimum amount of skill or talent would leap over the keeper, and write off the attempt for another time. Brutal. And then the ref shows yellow??? Fortunately the Reds were spared when the said player hacked down another and finally earned his wages with red after his second yellow. Sorry, Zinadanefan, but one or two bad apples can ruin the whole barrel.

 

[kjohnsob]

Actually, Mr. Zidanefan, the player who took out the Red Devils keeper shouldn't even be in this league. What player goes into an exposed keeper with his cleats on a 50/50 ball? I've only seen this in bush league, so what is he doing in this league? Studs against flesh??? Any player with a minimum amount of skill or talent would leap over the keeper, and write off the attempt for another time. Brutal. And then the ref shows yellow??? Fortunately the Reds were spared when the said player hacked down another and finally earned his wages with red after his second yellow. Sorry, Zinadanefan, but one or two bad apples can ruin the whole barrel.

get real you cant think there's anything wrong with going balls deep for a 50/50 ball. there should have been no card at all.

 

[Double R]

lol, no card at all
comical, at least there will be less of this next year.

 

[bench warmer]

any news on the yong guns game?
should be a good match vs them next week for us and most likely MOTW. A win = almost guaranteed promo.

2-1 win for young guns.

lookin forward to fridays game.

 

[Youlose_84]

Honestly my mate here put it sweet and simple... We put our backup goalie in HE HAS MORE MENTAL ISSUES THAN I DO TRYING TO DEKE THE WHOLE SQUAD GAVE ME A HEART ATTACK. Knights are a good bunch of guys spoke with a few of their strikers they are still trying to find their rythum ... I did one of them dirty in the first half..( they don't call me cleatsupp for nothing ) John Terry?? I won't censor it today.. FUK THAT REF AND HIS FUKEN COUCH, 22 players on the field not one of them knew what he was doing... probably was a croatian or serb in his past life.

Next week Titans... they have someone on here that thinks we aren't what the standings say we are...ONE WORD HOMIE... CLEATSUPP.. keep your head up

Amrit you Fu**er you thought i wasn't on here so you can trash the serbs...lol...I cant remember the last game i was at...but i think the serb was playing in the game while you were warming up the bench for me..
Hmmmmmm...hahaha...so i'll agree to disagree he was prob a croat...lol...Its all good just kidding Matty.....

 

[Supersub]

well done young guns, huge win

 

[Big Devil]

so kjohnsob when i slide out to scoop up a loose ball rolling into my box a player should be alowed to plow through me taking my knees, shins and ankles out with his kletes up?
The aftermath just waiting for a appointment with an orthopedic specialist but early diagnostic is a ruptured patellar tendon, bone contusion, and 50/50 chance of surgery

 

[johnnybluenose]

If that is what happened, that is not a 50/50 ball, it's keepers ball.

a 50/50 ball is, by definition, a ball that 2 players have a 50% chance of getting to, or 50% chance of not getting to, so... hard tackles and going up in the air is fair game.

except that a player can't use his hands.

If you, as a keeper, beat someone to a ball after sliding out for it and grabbing it, and he still goes through you, it is not a 50/50 ball... most strikers are quicker than keepers, but the ball often rolling towards the keeper eliminates the speed gap.

Sliding into a tackle with a keeper is poor form and very unsporting/dirty, however not illegal by FIFA Laws iirc, except where the official would deem violent or serious foul play based on the result of being late to the ball or missing the ball...

 

[Chelsea4life]

Sliding into a tackle with a keeper is poor form and very unsporting/dirty, however not illegal by FIFA Laws iirc, except where the official would deem violent or serious foul play based on the result of being late to the ball or missing the ball...

Sounds like its the same thing that happened with WestCoast, if it was a 50/50 ball for Red's keeper? Certain people see it one way, and other have a different view. But no one should ever go sliding cleats up into a keeper as we are the ones that put our face and upper body in the way of that 50/50 ball. Getting hit or coliding on a 50/50 ball is a different issue, but regarless of, if its 50/50 with a keeper you shouldnt be sliding in to win, if you arent going to make it for sure 100%, then just back out and you avoid injury and so does the brave keeper for riskin his body!

 

[D13]

Sounds like its the same thing that happened with WestCoast, if it was a 50/50 ball for Red's keeper? Certain people see it one way, and other have a different view. But no one should ever go sliding cleats up into a keeper as we are the ones that put our face and upper body in the way of that 50/50 ball. Getting hit or coliding on a 50/50 ball is a different issue, but regarless of, if its 50/50 with a keeper you shouldnt be sliding in to win, if you arent going to make it for sure 100%, then just back out and you avoid injury and so does the brave keeper for riskin his body!

with westcoast it was a 50/50 ball outside the box, they both got there at the same time. imo if you leave the box you are fair game, within reason of course.

 

[D13]

Actually, Mr. Zidanefan, the player who took out the Red Devils keeper shouldn't even be in this league. What player goes into an exposed keeper with his cleats on a 50/50 ball? I've only seen this in bush league, so what is he doing in this league? Studs against flesh??? Any player with a minimum amount of skill or talent would leap over the keeper, and write off the attempt for another time. Brutal. And then the ref shows yellow??? Fortunately the Reds were spared when the said player hacked down another and finally earned his wages with red after his second yellow. Sorry, Zinadanefan, but one or two bad apples can ruin the whole barrel.

this happened when i was playing u21 resulting in our keeper having two dislocated fingers and a bloody nose, no card was handed out, our keeper was carded and the other team was awarded a pk. one of the worst calls i have ever seen.

 

[ZidaneFan]

get real you cant think there's anything wrong with going balls deep for a 50/50 ball. there should have been no card at all.

Ok kjohnsob, so what would happen if the roles were reversed? We are playing you and the ball is rolling into the box. Your goalie is coming out for it and im going for it. He slides and then I slide straight into him, cleats first. He screams in pain and doesn't get up. After you take off his sock, you find a 3 inch gash on his shin WHERE MY CLEATS WENT THROUGH HIS SHINPAD. His knee is instantly swollen. You have to take 3 guys to help him off the field. Now Kjohnsob, how PISSED would you be IF THERE WAS NO CARD? HOW PISSED WOULD YOU BE AT ME? You later find out he probably needs SURGERY TO REPAIR HIS KNEE. Would you say "That was a 50/50 ball, sh*t happens"????
Next time you feel the need to open your mouth and comment, use your brain and think before you speak. Any sane person who has ever even touched a ball and has the most basic knowledge of this game we play agrees that sliding into a goalie is vicious and has no place in the game of soccer. Evidently, neither do you.

 

[seeler]

so kjohnsob when i slide out to scoop up a loose ball rolling into my box a player should be alowed to plow through me taking my knees, shins and ankles out with his kletes up?
The aftermath just waiting for a appointment with an orthopedic specialist but early diagnostic is a ruptured patellar tendon, bone contusion, and 50/50 chance of surgery

Could not agree more. This league has too many ex hockey/lacrosse/rugby players who are extremely unskilled and have to make up their lack of skills with their physical presence. It's sometimes scary to watch games, with these yahoos who are just out to hurt guys. Nothing wrong with a clean hard tackle and physical play, but its time to clean up the FVSL and teach kids, youth and adults proper soccer skills and etiquette.

 

[The Franchise]

Confused with this...

Correct me if I am wrong Zidane fan....ball is in the 18 and your goalie comes out to get it sliding, the Geu player is going after the ball to score a goal and slides to get the ball hitting your keeper who never had control yet?

Or did your keeper have the ball before the geu guy slid?

 

[ZidaneFan]

If that is what happened, that is not a 50/50 ball, it's keepers ball.

a 50/50 ball is, by definition, a ball that 2 players have a 50% chance of getting to, or 50% chance of not getting to, so... hard tackles and going up in the air is fair game.

except that a player can't use his hands.

If you, as a keeper, beat someone to a ball after sliding out for it and grabbing it, and he still goes through you, it is not a 50/50 ball... most strikers are quicker than keepers, but the ball often rolling towards the keeper eliminates the speed gap.

Sliding into a tackle with a keeper is poor form and very unsporting/dirty, however not illegal by FIFA Laws iirc, except where the official would deem violent or serious foul play based on the result of being late to the ball or missing the ball...

Here is the rule Johnny:

FIFA Law 12 - Fouls and Misconduct

Sending-off Offences​

A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the
following seven offences:
• serious foul play
• violent conduct
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)
• denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures​

• receiving a second caution in the same match

Everyone take note: IN THE GAME OF SOCCER, by law, YOU SHALL RECEIVE A RED CARD FOR VIOLENT CONDUCT OR SERIOUS FOUL PLAY.
This means that EVEN IF YOU HIT THE BALL FIRST YOU CAN STILL BE SENT OFF FOR SERIOUS FOUL PLAY. If you slide into a player, cleats first, win the ball, and take his ankles out, THAT IS A RED CARD OFFENSE. Getting the ball first DOES NOT MATTER. Just because you get the ball first doesn't give you immunity from any punishable offense. Think about it: The ball is bouncing around chest high. I jump up and ninja kick the ball with my cleats, and on my follow through I kick the player square in the chest. IS THAT NOT A RED CARD? It was a 50/50 ball, and I got the ball first, BUT IT DOESN'T NEGAT THE FOUL THAT I COMMITTED.
The reason why I am talking about this so much is because I don't want to see any players get hurt by stupid tackles. We all have lives and we all love to play, and play hard. If this kind of play isn't dealt with fast and hard, more and more guys will get hurt, and eventually someone will be seriously hurt or killed. The safety of the players is what comes first, and I just want to say all in all this league is decently clean. Let's all do our part and keep it that way. Good luck to all the teams in the 2nd half of the season. Stay Safe.

 

[Love the Game]

get real you cant think there's anything wrong with going balls deep for a 50/50 ball. there should have been no card at all.

Have you ever leaped over a keeper, or do you always follow through and wipe out the keeper. Generally, a ref will do his best to make contact calls in favour of the keeper because a keeper is one player who can be exposed. What other player goes up to reach for the ball with arms outstretched? He is exposed. What player should then take advantage of the exposed position, then drive his elbow into the keepers rib cage, and then defend his act by saying 50/50 ball. Same as in this case, only the keeper was on the ground and the attacking player drove his studs into him. It was probably a 50/50 ball, but that does not give liberty to rake the keeper. The laws of the game were provided to try and protect players against this type of sloppiness. I hope you treat keepers like your own keeper would like to be treated.

 

[4thplacetrophy]

nick i hope you don't need surgery man, that kinda thing sucks. But it's hard to judge sometimes as a striker i do slide but if i have a legit chance of gettin the ball if not i always leap over the keeper the only time i ever actually hit a keeper was last year against the razorbacks in an exhibition but that was cause i slipped but i also took his knee to my face, but somehow they over reacted like i did it on purpose, so who knows i didn't see the play so i can't really comment. But my point is if you really have no chance of getting the ball don't go for it with a keeper it's not worth it were not getting paid millions of dollars and our jobs are not on the line, but stupid plays like that cost us time off work which most people can't afford. anyways nick hope your back playing soon man.

 

[johnnybluenose]

ZF, no need to get hot at me mate, I was simply pointing out that it probably wasn't a 50/50 ball, that's all...

 

[Jay#7]

I've slid for a 50/50 with a keeper, while I did get there first. I tried to flick the ball over the sliding keeper, needless to say after I flicked it up I collided with the keeper and my studs were up. He obviously was a little upset and put me in some WWE Figure four move and the rest of my teammates jumped in. Anyways I was booked with a red and so was he, although I was booked with intent to injure which wasnt my intention at all but thats how it went in the ref report. At discipline I pleaded my case, and apologized to both the keeper and the league. I was hit with an 8 game suspension and $50 fine...I thought that was little over the top but what can you do? I guess you got to protect the keepers as they are usually in a vunerable position.

In hind sight, it was only Div.2 soccer and I probably didnt need to slide but it was in the heat of the moment and I thought I had a pretty good scoring chance...

 

[ZidaneFan]

ZF, no need to get hot at me mate, I was simply pointing out that it probably wasn't a 50/50 ball, that's all...

haha no i was agreeing with you! Just reiterating what you said with the official FIFA rules...