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Div 2 [FVSL D2] Banter Off Season 2010
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johnnybluenose
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How's it all shaping up for next fall? Now that summer is in full swing there has to be some news.
The Valley site currently shows:
In other news:
LUFC Athletica have folded, remaining players have moved to the Nomads, which have picked up from LUFC and moved to Peace Arch, to take over the Peace Arch Selects slot which was D1 last year and relegated to Div2. LUFC Nomads are no more, now to be named Peace Arch Nomads.
That leaves LUFC with 4 Div-2 spots (Nomads, Athletica, Clones (just promoted) and Young Guns) with 2 spots with no teams to fill them as of right this second...however I'm sure Suburbanator and the LUFC guys will have someone jump up and take those teams over, or the teams that were relegated from LUFC to D3 (Wolves and Knights might just take the Athletica and Nomads spots.. (this is just me speculating)
Any other news/mergers/etc out there?
The Valley site currently shows:
In other news:
LUFC Athletica have folded, remaining players have moved to the Nomads, which have picked up from LUFC and moved to Peace Arch, to take over the Peace Arch Selects slot which was D1 last year and relegated to Div2. LUFC Nomads are no more, now to be named Peace Arch Nomads.
That leaves LUFC with 4 Div-2 spots (Nomads, Athletica, Clones (just promoted) and Young Guns) with 2 spots with no teams to fill them as of right this second...however I'm sure Suburbanator and the LUFC guys will have someone jump up and take those teams over, or the teams that were relegated from LUFC to D3 (Wolves and Knights might just take the Athletica and Nomads spots.. (this is just me speculating)
Any other news/mergers/etc out there?
johnnybluenose
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Sorry, i guess I also excluded the teams being relegated from D1 too, which are:
PA Selects, LUFC Nomads, and the remaining LUFC Athletica are now Peace Arch Nomads (We merged and have now moved to Peace Arch to occupy the spot at Peace arch that was relegated to Div 2 from Div 1 at the end of this last season)
To clear up this confusion...
PA Selects, LUFC Nomads, and the remaining LUFC Athletica are now Peace Arch Nomads (We merged and have now moved to Peace Arch to occupy the spot at Peace arch that was relegated to Div 2 from Div 1 at the end of this last season)
Going by the Fraservalley website is looks like no second place team is going to Div 1
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johnnybluenose
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But we are playing South Surrey now, which is closer for most of our guys and the facilities are better imho @ SSAP than at WAP.
johnnybluenose
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Go to the paste job I had, put your finger on the first line of text, count thriteen lines down and you will see where it names the second place teams GEU Inter and Guildford utd.. then there is a typo where it should say WRU its says FVRD.
Kevin Hector
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the Nomads live up to they're names moving Clubs again if my memory is correct. so by 2012 it will be the GEU Nomads when our new stadium is built with change rooms
johnnybluenose
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We are not moving clubs again, we are simply moving clubs... we were never part of a club until we joined LUFC three or four years ago.
Promotion to Premier - Whitecaps Prospects( Div 1 )
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Bottom 3 teams Relegated to Div 2 - Aldergrove Utd, Peace Arch Selects, Abbotsford Arsenal
( 3 teams down )
Division 2 - 1st Place teams in 2A - Port Moody Gunners, 2B - Athletic Club BC and 2C - Fraser Valley Red Devils Win Division Trophy
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Divisional Winners of 2A, 2B & 2C are Promoted to Division 1( 3 teams up )
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2nd Place of 2A - GEU Inter, 2B - Guildford Utd & 2C - LUFC Young Guns ( not promoted )
JBN, I don't think Inter gets promoted as Franchise has pointed out.
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Bottom 3 teams Relegated to Div 2 - Aldergrove Utd, Peace Arch Selects, Abbotsford Arsenal
( 3 teams down )
Division 2 - 1st Place teams in 2A - Port Moody Gunners, 2B - Athletic Club BC and 2C - Fraser Valley Red Devils Win Division Trophy
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Divisional Winners of 2A, 2B & 2C are Promoted to Division 1( 3 teams up )
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2nd Place of 2A - GEU Inter, 2B - Guildford Utd & 2C - LUFC Young Guns ( not promoted )
JBN, I don't think Inter gets promoted as Franchise has pointed out.
number10hamburgler
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Believe it's a typo. That list hasn't been updated yet. PAK Winner is still TBD.
Inter, GUTD, and WRU get promoted. But not the Young Guns, cause they lost in the playoff.
http://www.fraservalleysoccer.com/pdfs/FVSL_2009_2010_Season.pdf
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Well, from what I'm told the divisional alignments have been done in theory, but obviously the board hasn't made a complete decision based on the board being in potential transition with the AGM a week away...
In theory the second place teams should go up along with Divisional winners, but really the entire system is flawed. For instance, A very good team could get stuck in a divisional group with a few teams of equal or better quality (ie Nomads in a group with ACBC and Guildford Utd) and then not go up, yet WRU beat Young Guns in a one match playoff to determine who gets second spot in 2c... we pumped the YG's in Cup and have never lost to WRU ever...
Really the whole thing is a shambles, but people can't (for who knows why) swallow their pride, and check their ego... It should be a top down Premier to division 9, with no groupings...
10 Prem
10 Div 1
10 Div 2
10 Div 3
10 Div 4
10 Div 5
10 Div 6
etc...
The ONLY argument against it is that new teams have to start from the bottom and move up, and in theory it could take as many as 6 or 7 years to climb from the bottom divisions up...
BUT, aha! Hockey leagues all around the lower mainland have that, and if a team is gubbing the competition every game they move them up and switch them with a team in a division ahead of them mid season that is getting gubbed game in game out...
At the end of the day you will end up with a far superior streamlined divisional setup.
But some guys could never get over having to tell their mates over a few pops that they play Division 6 in the FVSL... when it really doesn't matter at all.
Now under the proposed plan we have 1 team getting relegated from Premier and only 1 team moving up out of a geographically zoned pair of groups of div 1... So if you win your division, but lose a one game playoff, you don't go to premier... that is a hard pill to swallow if you ask me.
Look at the English Championship and how they handle promotion aside from the clear cut winners... they have a mini tourney.
20 Teams only promoting 1 to the top tier is not a good plan imho.
You could have, lets say in pool 1a One awesome team curb stomp everyone in their division all year and go deep in Pak cup and have another strong team behind them in second that only lost to that good team, and in the other pool have two strong teams finish one two that aren't as good as the second place team in pool a, how is that fair that they are denied a shot at promotion because of the way the board drew up the pools based on geography?
I really hope someone speaks up and brings this up as an idea the teams and clubs can discuss with the board and fix it once and for all, considering they are planning to make changes anyways.
So with respect to Div 2 and what I have seen, if they are only relegating 3 spots from D1 to D2 and promoting 5 to make the division 1 a group of 20 teams (how they tier or zone is irrelevant) they division winners obviously should go up, as should Guildford Utd as they were clearly a class team based on their cup run and finishing a clear second place, and that would be it, perhaps GEU Inter could make a case, based on strength of division, but they were only 3 games above .500.
In theory the second place teams should go up along with Divisional winners, but really the entire system is flawed. For instance, A very good team could get stuck in a divisional group with a few teams of equal or better quality (ie Nomads in a group with ACBC and Guildford Utd) and then not go up, yet WRU beat Young Guns in a one match playoff to determine who gets second spot in 2c... we pumped the YG's in Cup and have never lost to WRU ever...
Really the whole thing is a shambles, but people can't (for who knows why) swallow their pride, and check their ego... It should be a top down Premier to division 9, with no groupings...
10 Prem
10 Div 1
10 Div 2
10 Div 3
10 Div 4
10 Div 5
10 Div 6
etc...
The ONLY argument against it is that new teams have to start from the bottom and move up, and in theory it could take as many as 6 or 7 years to climb from the bottom divisions up...
BUT, aha! Hockey leagues all around the lower mainland have that, and if a team is gubbing the competition every game they move them up and switch them with a team in a division ahead of them mid season that is getting gubbed game in game out...
At the end of the day you will end up with a far superior streamlined divisional setup.
But some guys could never get over having to tell their mates over a few pops that they play Division 6 in the FVSL... when it really doesn't matter at all.
Now under the proposed plan we have 1 team getting relegated from Premier and only 1 team moving up out of a geographically zoned pair of groups of div 1... So if you win your division, but lose a one game playoff, you don't go to premier... that is a hard pill to swallow if you ask me.
Look at the English Championship and how they handle promotion aside from the clear cut winners... they have a mini tourney.
20 Teams only promoting 1 to the top tier is not a good plan imho.
You could have, lets say in pool 1a One awesome team curb stomp everyone in their division all year and go deep in Pak cup and have another strong team behind them in second that only lost to that good team, and in the other pool have two strong teams finish one two that aren't as good as the second place team in pool a, how is that fair that they are denied a shot at promotion because of the way the board drew up the pools based on geography?
I really hope someone speaks up and brings this up as an idea the teams and clubs can discuss with the board and fix it once and for all, considering they are planning to make changes anyways.
So with respect to Div 2 and what I have seen, if they are only relegating 3 spots from D1 to D2 and promoting 5 to make the division 1 a group of 20 teams (how they tier or zone is irrelevant) they division winners obviously should go up, as should Guildford Utd as they were clearly a class team based on their cup run and finishing a clear second place, and that would be it, perhaps GEU Inter could make a case, based on strength of division, but they were only 3 games above .500.
Soccer_player
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If you go and check for registered players when you get to teams in div 1 Aldergrove Utd, Peace Arch Selects & Abbotsford Arsenal are in div 2. and Port Moody Gunners, Athletic Club BC, Fraser Valley Red Devils, & Guildford are now in the div 1. leaving out inter & wru and only having 18 teams in div1
johnnybluenose
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right, they likely didn't move up teams they were unsure of... once they finalize the promo/relegation and alignments the others will likely shuffle as well... that's what I'm guessing.
number10hamburgler
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Another way to do it as well, is make every division 18-20 team divisions, leave Div.1 as is with 18-20 teams. And to get it initially started have the top 5-6 finishers in each Div.2 section make up a new 18-20 team Division.2 and the bottom 5-6 finishers make up a new Div.3. Same with Division 3 teams. Realistically, if it's implemented Division 5 is the most it will go. And teams will end up playing with teams around their caliber.
This way also only the worst get relegated and the promoted team is clear cut and deserved of promotion. Kind of like the Whitecap Prospects were this year. Also if a team is a decent team and can beat the bottom 3 easily, the chances of being relegated decreases. Unlike with the current system the bottom 2 of a 9-10 team division gets relegated, those ain't good odds.
Add to that a new cup for Div.4 and Div.5 and so on and your off. It would definitely streamline things and how most hockey, baseball and so on leagues are arranged.
The biggest sore point would be travelling, some teams may just want to play based on geography. Especially as you go down the division, attendance to far and late games may decrease.
This way also only the worst get relegated and the promoted team is clear cut and deserved of promotion. Kind of like the Whitecap Prospects were this year. Also if a team is a decent team and can beat the bottom 3 easily, the chances of being relegated decreases. Unlike with the current system the bottom 2 of a 9-10 team division gets relegated, those ain't good odds.
Add to that a new cup for Div.4 and Div.5 and so on and your off. It would definitely streamline things and how most hockey, baseball and so on leagues are arranged.
The biggest sore point would be travelling, some teams may just want to play based on geography. Especially as you go down the division, attendance to far and late games may decrease.
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If teams would rather play teams close to home and not travel than obviously they have no business playing competitively, which is exactly why there is a need for 4 divisions of 10 that purely rec in nature with no promo relegation for the extremely poor D3 teams and masters teams to go and play.
Believe you lost 3-1 at our home game last season.
Cup's a one-off so the YG result doesn't mean anything other than you were better than them on the day - they beat FVRD twice, and FVRD beat you comfortably - does that mean you're better than FVRD.
Same old shite JBN...
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