Canada MNT: Road to 2018

[Gurps]

Well said @Rangerforever my full thoughts exactly!

And yes, that linesman was wanker....brutal.....

 

[Dude]

Yeah, @LION and I were discussing Atiba down in the front row, where the cool kids sat.

Is he worth Morales money? Every penny. More, because he does more. He is a stud, full stop. All those qualities you point out RF, all and more.

Great article here by Kurt Larson: http://www.torontosun.com/2016/09/03/hutchison-couldve-been-a-bigger-star-if-he-was-born-elsewhere

 

[trece verde]

Hey Dude-where's-my-watch who showed up 20 minutes late and without ice cream:

Your hair was in the way.

 

[Dude]

No, you guys all showed up early!

OK, seriously...fcuking diabolical that they had the wrong time printed on the ticket. When RF texted me they were up 1-0, I thought he was TTPing us.

 

[trece verde]

Did you get your ticket from RF as well?

 

[Dude]

No, but I was wondering why he was going down so early.

@utah & @BrianPicard , famous last words at 7:00 at the pub: "We have time for one more pitcher, don't we?"

On a side note, my head hurts.

 

[Ballbaby]

The reason I missed last night was I had training with my women's team. That shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who knows me but I do feel bad for missing this TTP event. I did catch the first half and it was very entertaining.

I feel very very bad for Atiba Hutchinson!

Jigsaw's post said it all!

 

[Regs]

The reason I missed last night was I had training with my women's team. That shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who knows me but I do feel bad for missing this TTP event. I did catch the first half and it was very entertaining.

I feel very very bad for Atiba Hutchinson!

Jigsaw's post said it all!

Isn't Qually on the Women's team? I didn't say hi but I think that's who was in front of me in your seats?

 

[Soccer Coach]

How can anyone think of blaming Youth Soccer Coaches for the abysmal state of the National Team Program?
The National Program suffers because the player pool isn't big enough & we don't have enough players playing, or training at a level high enough to compete at the level reqd. to progress to a World Cup.
If there was a Pro' league in Canada, you would improve the Coaches & players, by the level of competition & hopefully by the environment at training on a daily basis.
This, eventually, would lead to a trickle down effect, where youth & club coaches would learn from coaches in the pro game.
This will take years to develop, but other Countries have an advantage over us, because they have had this going on for years.

It is no coincidence that the only time Canada have qualified for a World Cup, is when we had 100 players playing & training with some of the top players of the world in the NASL.
Players like Bruce Wilson, Bobby Lenarduzzi, Ian Bridge, David Norman, the list goes on. Were training & playing with Beckenbauer, Pele, Cruyff, Kroll, etc.
Canada came close to qualifying in 1994 & made "The Hex" in 1998. This was a result of the player pool, still having the luxury of some of those players, plus the players that played in the now defunct CSL, which may not have been as good as the NASL in quality, but it allowed us to have a bigger pool of players who were playing & training at a higher level than we have now.

I have taken youth teams to England for games & to get a taste of the passion & culture.
They beat most of the teams & performed really well. The difference is, the better English players have a chance to "step up" & play at a higher level, where they are challenged even more, whilst our Canadians have nowhere to progress to after the age of 18.

In other Countries, many ex-pro's get involved in coaching at the youth level, giving back some of their experience to the young players.
How can Canada have ex-pro's give back, when we have too few ex-pro's?

We keep trying to solve these problems with a "New Coach" with a different accent, when the fact is, we have no chance, no matter who we employ as the Coach.
Having said that, I do believe the next Coach should be a Canadian & one that has been around the "pro-game", & has actually worked with professional players.

I hear rumors that a new league is in the works & we will have it up & running in the near future.
That will be the beginning of the solution, but it will take a long time to get to the level that we all want now.
I'm sure that CSA is aware of the situation & working to correct it.
My only question is, What took so long?

How can anyone think of blaming Youth Soccer Coaches for the abysmal state of the National Team Program?
The National Program suffers because the player pool isn't big enough & we don't have enough players playing, or training at a level high enough to compete at the level reqd. to progress to a World Cup.
If there was a Pro' league in Canada, you would improve the Coaches & players, by the level of competition & hopefully by the environment at training on a daily basis.
This, eventually, would lead to a trickle down effect, where youth & club coaches would learn from coaches in the pro game.
This will take years to develop, but other Countries have an advantage over us, because they have had this going on for years.

It is no coincidence that the only time Canada have qualified for a World Cup, is when we had 100 players playing & training with some of the top players of the world in the NASL.
Players like Bruce Wilson, Bobby Lenarduzzi, Ian Bridge, David Norman, the list goes on. Were training & playing with Beckenbauer, Pele, Cruyff, Kroll, etc.
Canada came close to qualifying in 1994 & made "The Hex" in 1998. This was a result of the player pool, still having the luxury of some of those players, plus the players that played in the now defunct CSL, which may not have been as good as the NASL in quality, but it allowed us to have a bigger pool of players who were playing & training at a higher level than we have now.

I have taken youth teams to England for games & to get a taste of the passion & culture.
They beat most of the teams & performed really well. The difference is, the better English players have a chance to "step up" & play at a higher level, where they are challenged even more, whilst our Canadians have nowhere to progress to after the age of 18.

In other Countries, many ex-pro's get involved in coaching at the youth level, giving back some of their experience to the young players.
How can Canada have ex-pro's give back, when we have too few ex-pro's?

We keep trying to solve these problems with a "New Coach" with a different accent, when the fact is, we have no chance, no matter who we employ as the Coach.
Having said that, I do believe the next Coach should be a Canadian & one that has been around the "pro-game", & has actually worked with professional players.

I hear rumors that a new league is in the works & we will have it up & running in the near future.
That will be the beginning of the solution, but it will take a long time to get to the level that we all want now.
I'm sure that CSA is aware of the situation & working to correct it.
My only question is, What took so long?

It does not surprise me all the Pollyana posts. People are not ready to accept and acknowledge the harsh realities of our current soccer state of affairs.

It seems that you are regurgitating the propaganda of the Canadian soccer establishment that has led us to this disaster. I encourage you to review on the facts.

1) The Canadian soccer teams and players were nothing special or above their counterparts in the region. If they were good in 1986, then why they did so miserably in the 1990 qualification process where they were easily outplayed and dismissed by Guatemala in an preliminary round.

The 1986 is simply an historical aberration. Central America was in the middle of brutal civil wars. The best players were not in the National tams, and the ones that were sent to play where so underfunded that sometimes did not have even soccer balls or uniforms. Games would be cancelled or moved because of the war (i.e. played in empty stadiums). In addition, Mexico was not in the qualification process as they were hosts as we got an extra berth.

I do not know if you have actually seen those games, but Canada was playing literally kick and run and most of the goals that led to that qualification were lucky goals from corner kicks or free kicks. If you do not beleive me, look at these goals:



I will sum up the Canadian strategy of 1986 for the young boys of the TTP:
A) Get a corner kick or free kick and pray that one of our taller players gets a header.
B) Kick the ball as high as possible and as far as possible to the centre forward. He might control it and then blast into the net.
C) Put two banks of 8 defenders. Tackle the ball and then kick it forward.
D) Have a fit team that defends with 8, and then runs and kicks and runs and kicks the ball.

No real strategy or finesse. Yes, some of those guys might have played beside Pele, but they did not certainly brought back this style and vision back to the Canadian National Team.

The players of the 1986 were as limited and poor technically as the current one (perhaps even worst). They simply got really lucky on having Mexico hosting the World Cup, the Central America nations in wars, and then having two lucky corner kicks in (which by the way one of them was a foul that the linesman did not see).

As for the 1994 we almost made it; it is simply bullshit. There was another continental play-off to be played, and this one was always won by Commebol (i.e. Argentina or Uruguay or Brazil). Thus, do not kid yourself that we almost qualify in 1994.

Watch the games and goals of 1980 of Canada and you will see that they were not playing well.

I command you for taking youth teams out of the country. I might suggest that instead of taking them to England or Europe that you take them to Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean, so you and the players do not get a distorted image. It is more realistic to play in Concacaf. That is the real competition for Canada. When teams are taken to Europe; they usually do not play the best players, or the opponents or coaches play at lower levels of effort.
The crude reality is that by U12 our boys are technically behind most players in CONCACAF and COMMEBOL. There is no point in hiding this reality.

The lag by U12 is not the fault of the National Team Program. It is the fault of the grassroot coaches, administrators and facilitators.
This is where the fixing needs to be done.

Yeah, it would be great to have a professional league, but MOST COUNTRIES that do not qualify also have professional leagues.
There is no need to have ex-professional players guiding the kids. This is like saying professional and top scientist should be teaching algebra and physics in elementary schools and high-schools. Successful soccer players make enough money during the careers and rarely teach the game or teach the game well.
In fact most of the best players in the world were not taught by profesional players in their early years. They learn the game on the streets, favelas, potrerors or you name it. Spaces where kids play they game with little adult supervision.

Let me put in a simply way for you to understand it. If a an ex-professional soccer player is teaching kids; then it means that he was not that really good because he did not get enough money to retire. It also means that a family is paying him to teach the kids to learn. The best players in the world come from the most humble circles because they are "hungry" to get better, so they can have a better living for themselves and their families. They did not have any money in the first place to hire a coach to teach them to play soccer.

This is one of the myths that I hear a lot. "I played pro" then I am qualified and are the best option to teach the game. Having received a salary to play for a few years, does not mean that a person understands how motor learning and cognitive process work. Yes, I grant that this might help some to understand the latter, bu it is the understanding of the process that leads to effective coaching and transmission of skills on to the young generations. If anything, ex-professionals make more damage than good when they try to directly transport the training process of adults into children and pre-adolescent children.

Benito did well for Canada. It is not bad to have foreign and more experienced coaches for the National Team.
I disagree that we need a coach born here.
We need coaches like Bora Milutinovic, LaVolpe, Bradley.
We need coaches who understand CONCACAF. Coaches who understand who to play in San Pedro, San Jose, the Azteca, the Mateo Flores, etc.

This is one of the main problems with our soccer community. We think that we are in Europe. We are not. Until we learn how Mexico and Central America and the Caribean plays, we will not beat them.

We have a lot to learn, but the main problem is that we refuse to accept that we have a lot to learn.

 

[Ballbaby]

Isn't Qually on the Women's team? I didn't say hi but I think that's who was in front of me in your seats?

Yes. I gave her my tickets. She had valid reason for not training.

 

[Dude]

Then you can apologize on my behalf. I wasn't hitting on her, just drunk and chatty, and yearning for your missing companionship.

 

[Stringer]

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It does not surprise me all the Pollyana posts. People are not ready to accept and acknowledge the harsh realities of our current soccer state of affairs.

It seems that you are regurgitating the propaganda of the Canadian soccer establishment that has led us to this disaster. I encourage you to review on the facts.

1) The Canadian soccer teams and players were nothing special or above their counterparts in the region. If they were good in 1986, then why they did so miserably in the 1990 qualification process where they were easily outplayed and dismissed by Guatemala in an preliminary round.

The 1986 is simply an historical aberration. Central America was in the middle of brutal civil wars. The best players were not in the National tams, and the ones that were sent to play where so underfunded that sometimes did not have even soccer balls or uniforms. Games would be cancelled or moved because of the war (i.e. played in empty stadiums). In addition, Mexico was not in the qualification process as they were hosts as we got an extra berth.

I do not know if you have actually seen those games, but Canada was playing literally kick and run and most of the goals that led to that qualification were lucky goals from corner kicks or free kicks. If you do not beleive me, look at these goals:



I will sum up the Canadian strategy of 1986 for the young boys of the TTP:
A) Get a corner kick or free kick and pray that one of our taller players gets a header.
B) Kick the ball as high as possible and as far as possible to the centre forward. He might control it and then blast into the net.
C) Put two banks of 8 defenders. Tackle the ball and then kick it forward.
D) Have a fit team that defends with 8, and then runs and kicks and runs and kicks the ball.

No real strategy or finesse. Yes, some of those guys might have played beside Pele, but they did not certainly brought back this style and vision back to the Canadian National Team.

The players of the 1986 were as limited and poor technically as the current one (perhaps even worst). They simply got really lucky on having Mexico hosting the World Cup, the Central America nations in wars, and then having two lucky corner kicks in (which by the way one of them was a foul that the linesman did not see).

As for the 1994 we almost made it; it is simply bullshit. There was another continental play-off to be played, and this one was always won by Commebol (i.e. Argentina or Uruguay or Brazil). Thus, do not kid yourself that we almost qualify in 1994.

Watch the games and goals of 1980 of Canada and you will see that they were not playing well.

I command you for taking youth teams out of the country. I might suggest that instead of taking them to England or Europe that you take them to Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean, so you and the players do not get a distorted image. It is more realistic to play in Concacaf. That is the real competition for Canada. When teams are taken to Europe; they usually do not play the best players, or the opponents or coaches play at lower levels of effort.
The crude reality is that by U12 our boys are technically behind most players in CONCACAF and COMMEBOL. There is no point in hiding this reality.

The lag by U12 is not the fault of the National Team Program. It is the fault of the grassroot coaches, administrators and facilitators.
This is where the fixing needs to be done.

Yeah, it would be great to have a professional league, but MOST COUNTRIES that do not qualify also have professional leagues.
There is no need to have ex-professional players guiding the kids. This is like saying professional and top scientist should be teaching algebra and physics in elementary schools and high-schools. Successful soccer players make enough money during the careers and rarely teach the game or teach the game well.
In fact most of the best players in the world were not taught by profesional players in their early years. They learn the game on the streets, favelas, potrerors or you name it. Spaces where kids play they game with little adult supervision.

Let me put in a simply way for you to understand it. If a an ex-professional soccer player is teaching kids; then it means that he was not that really good because he did not get enough money to retire. It also means that a family is paying him to teach the kids to learn. The best players in the world come from the most humble circles because they are "hungry" to get better, so they can have a better living for themselves and their families. They did not have any money in the first place to hire a coach to teach them to play soccer.

This is one of the myths that I hear a lot. "I played pro" then I am qualified and are the best option to teach the game. Having received a salary to play for a few years, does not mean that a person understands how motor learning and cognitive process work. Yes, I grant that this might help some to understand the latter, bu it is the understanding of the process that leads to effective coaching and transmission of skills on to the young generations. If anything, ex-professionals make more damage than good when they try to directly transport the training process of adults into children and pre-adolescent children.

Benito did well for Canada. It is not bad to have foreign and more experienced coaches for the National Team.
I disagree that we need a coach born here.
We need coaches like Bora Milutinovic, LaVolpe, Bradley.
We need coaches who understand CONCACAF. Coaches who understand who to play in San Pedro, San Jose, the Azteca, the Mateo Flores, etc.

This is one of the main problems with our soccer community. We think that we are in Europe. We are not. Until we learn how Mexico and Central America and the Caribean plays, we will not beat them.

We have a lot to learn, but the main problem is that we refuse to accept that we have a lot to learn.

What's your point? You have written the same thing over and over and over again and no one cares numbnuts

 

[Dude]

He thinks he knows and understands something about the game that hasn't already been realized, regurgitated, and debated at nausea here already. Basically, as RF would say, he likes the smell of his own farts.

And he couldn't polish Jigsaw's boots, coaching wise, and experience in CONCACAF wise. That's the humorous part of his last post.

Lastly, he has no understanding of all things of cream and ice, and the magical powers they bring. In short, a footballing simpleton.

 

[Soccer Coach]

It takes at least three times for something to start sinking in...

 

[Dude]

You're a dink.
You're a dink.
You're a dink.

You're an idiot.
You're an idiot.
You're an idiot.

God willing, I hope you get it now.

 

[Soccer Coach]

as for @Dude, keep living the fantasy... better that way...not seeing the connection between your actions and thoughts and the 100th ranking just behind North Korea.

 

[Dude]

Um, what I am doing is working? Bronze medal? Remember?

You're a dink.
You're a dink.
You're a dink.

You're an idiot.
You're an idiot.
You're an idiot.

WTF is wrong, and why isn't this working?

 

[Dude]

Is it me? Am I the problem? I think what we have is a failure to communicate. Help me, help you.

You're a fcuktard.
You're a fcuktard.
You're a fcuktard.

Is this helping?

 

[Soccer Coach]

There is no need to insult.
I guess you are not ready to face reality.

 

[akslop]