I'm sure every prem club that has other teams in lower divisions would Lovett have the option to call players up when they know they'll be short...
.....I can see North Delta SC B winning FVSL div1 this season and getting promoted.....
Would you rather the league force Metro Ford to stay and field a team? or the 3rd place div1 team get promoted? Both these would make the league weaker.
No, the league could not force MF to field a premier league team but what if MF, as organization, as a club, wants to keep the spot? That spot belongs to the club, not to the team - that is my point. One individual like a coach or manager (and several players) do not have right to take a spot away from the club. If club losses a spot it should be offered to the next Division 1 team.
Pacific United is just a name change. Same ownership and all, but teams are allowed to change their names I believe. Yes maybe CCB the club owned it, but again, would they be able to field a premier team as a club if the coach and players move on?
Based on your explanation - it is not just a name change. If CCB still exists then they should keep the spot unless they forfeit it. In that case the spot in Premier League should be offered to the best placed Division 1 team. But, how a group of guys (and a coach) can move away from the club, join another club and keep the spot? That just does not make any sense.
Delta Hurricanes, now Langley Hurricanes,,... same stuff. New club took them in and took care of them.
The club Delta now didn't have a premier team, so what would you suggest?
The same explanation as for CCB and Pacific above. If Delta (club) released Delta Hurricanes and forfeited a Premier League spot then that spot should have been, back then, offered to the Division 1 team. That would make sense although the (Premier) league would most likely be weaker but so what? How does that movement from one club to another make any sense? Private teams joining community clubs and leaving whenever they feel like it!?
VMSL doesnt really want clubs B teams in div1, then who is really fighting to get to Prem?
That is why West Van had to find a home for their young studs in a competitive division. Or they would have had to start in Div3.
Rino now has a Premier league team and Division 1 team. Imagine Tigers get relegated to Division 1 and playing next season in the same division with other Rino's team? Would that make any sense?
What is relationship between Pegasus FC (former ICSF Pegasus) and ICSF Columbus? What if, by any chance, ICSF Columbus gets promoted to the Premier league and then Pegasus FC also wants to come back (under ICSF umbrella). Clubs are not allowed to have two Premier league teams. Is Pegasus FC going to fold? Who is then going to take their place?
Re West Van. That is not the first club that has a strong U-21 side. Starting in Division 3 maybe would (and maybe would not not) accomplish anything. But, what are they going to accomplish in FVSL? Are the best players from West Van FVSL going to be transferred to West Van VMSL? Probably! So, West Van found a way to have to Premier League teams (but in different leagues). I think Metro Ford already has a team in FVSL (or used to).
This just tells a story about inability to sit together and create one Lower Mainland soccer league. Basically, who really cares, it is amateur soccer anyway! But, it tells a story about Canadian soccer in general.
What would you suggest?
Perhaps there is a better way for local soccer. But both systems have their flaws for sure
Simple rule in which league spots belong to the clubs (and I think it is already in place). If individual teams compete in certain leagues then those teams have option to compete as independent teams or join any organized club. When a team joins a club then automatically a league spot belongs to the club (not to the team). If a club (or individual team) forfeits the spot it should be offered to the best placed Division 1 team (that way competition makes sense, teams have something to play for, and those "wandering teams" are prevented doing what they are doing and acting as private teams under the umbrella of community teams when it fits them (and leaving when something does not go the way they want it).
My two cents. Sorry about the long post.
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Isn't that what the VMSL already has in place when they implemented the CAT system? I'll go out on a limb and say the idea may have looked good on paper but it failed! No one wanted to play CAT, players are not loyal like that, they want to play... and premier teams, as much as we want to say are the best of the best, are glued together by friendships. Rarely would a CAT player become established on a premier team... new players were always acquired by way of a napkin in the Nations Cup beer gardensWhat would you suggest?
Perhaps there is a better way for local soccer. But both systems have their flaws for sure
Simple rule in which league spots belong to the clubs (and I think it is already in place). If individual teams compete in certain leagues then those teams have option to compete as independent teams or join any organized club. When a team joins a club then automatically a league spot belongs to the club (not to the team). If a club (or individual team) forfeits the spot it should be offered to the best placed Division 1 team (that way competition makes sense, teams have something to play for, and those "wandering teams" are prevented doing what they are doing and acting as private teams under the umbrella of community teams when it fits them (and leaving when something does not go the way they want it).
Are we still exploring rumours?
What I noticed (when schedule appeared on VMSL site) is the following:
1) ICSF Pegasus is now Pegasus FC (so Regs rumour was not a rumour after all). At the same time, in Division 1, Columbus is now ICSF Columbus.
2) CCB United is now Pacific United. Is that only a name change? If Pacific United is a newly formed club/team how they can have a Premier league team? Should not all new clubs/teams start from division 3?
Does it make a sense to all of you that some teams move from one club to another and keep the place in the same division? I know you are going to tell me: "Yes, of course, why not?" but that just does not seem right. If we allow this (and obviously that is what's happening) you have a situation in which a coach and a group of players going from one club to another, even changing leagues, etc. It seems to me that these things will have to addressed seriously.
What if tomorrow (just assuming) Metro Ford or Surrey United Premier team coach and players decide they do not want to be a part of Metro Ford or Surrey United and then they approach, I do not know, Burnaby Selects Club and offer to be a part of Burnaby Selects!? Suddenly, Metro Ford (or Surrey United) does not have a Premier league team but Burnaby Selects does! I apologize for using MF, SU, and Burnaby names but I just wanted to make a point.
In other words, does a sport in Premier league belong to the club (i.e. Metro Ford) or a team (MF Wolves)?
How do we expect soccer to get to the next level in this country if we cannot even figure out local leagues? Who even dares to dream about Canadian soccer league?
How can one West Van team play Premier in VMSL and then their younger team (U-21) plays Premier in FVSL? Does it really make any sense?