Guru, as far as us (titans) going to pk's, i explained that in the presidents cup forum. We didn't come out with any desire to win and by no means were the wolves a determining factor in that. We knew they were a better team than their record as the division is very tight. It is the most competitive just due to everyone being so close in ability. As far as earning respect, you guys have but you haven't beaten a top team yet. If whalley is playing the hurricanes and beats them, then you have a case. The last three weeks our team has not played well and we know that. We have not wanted it enough throughout the whole game, ask curious or chopper, they'll tell you how badly we played after the first 10 min with them. We are in a funk right now and we need to get out of it.