Bruce Allen Furor

[Gurps]

Guru, I raised the point about saying merry Chrismas to prove a point. The point being that it isn't just immigrants who are changing the laws, it is White Canadians as well.

The argument here is over Bruce Allen's comments. He makes it sounds like immigrants are the only people who are changing Canada's traditions, when in fact, many of the traditions he is pissed about were changed by white Canadians. Same goes for gay marriage.


Understand?

 

[guru]

Our National Anthem states "God keep our land, Glorious and free"

The original line you refer to is:
Oh, Canada, Glorious and free"

It was that line until Brian Mulrony changed our national anthem to reflect religion! BASTARD!!!

The original lyrics from WAY back all refer to god, however, when it became our national anthem in the mid 60's, it was altered .... then in 1980 it was altered back to reflect religion.

 

[Gurps]

Thus, although I may be upset that i can no longer say Merry Chtristmas, I move on with my life.

However, If i really cared that much, I would do something about it. Thus, if I really opposed gay marriage(which I do not) i would go out and fight against it.

However, these things are trivial to me, and do not effect my life.

 

[guru]

Like I said, I support your right to an opinion, but the country has and always will continue to change. You either adapt, or fall behind. People like Bruce Allen are the minority in this country, deal with it.

I don't believe it... I believe more people are like him, but are afraid to admit it....

 

[Gurps]

At the end of the day, we can argue till we are black and blue.

We live in a free and democratic society, and everyone has the right to an opinion. I may not agree with your opinion, but I respect your right to say it.

I think we can all agree on that.

 

[guru]

At the end of the day, we can argue till we are black and blue.

We live in a free and democratic society, and everyone has the right to an opinion. I may not agree with your opinion, but I respect your right to say it.

I think we can all agree on that.

That free and democratic society is at risk due to the charter of rights. Every faction can site something from this and win. It dismantles rather than builds. I also never directed any points towards any specific group or colour. I sited points raised by others for argument sake, but I generalized all factions and groups. There is no one race, religion, group or faction that should be above the laws and traditions of this country. I believe that's what Bruce Allen was saying as well... Whether you arrived here in Canada 17 generations ago, or yesterday... this is the way Canada is. That's not to say unjust laws shouldn't be challenged, nor that traditions which deny peoples human rights shouldn't be challenged, just that these things shouldn't be challenged if it's merely for 'political correctness'.

The spitting on the statue was "poetic licence"... I was using something rediculous to prove a point... however "spitting" is ussed in some religious ceremonies.

 

[johnnybluenose]

cool Gurps, just wanted clarification.

I also understand you do not have to drink Beer with toothless Suzie at the local Legion, that you could consume water too.

 

[canuckboy]

jesus christ, shorten your posts people I'm at work and this is seriously handicapping my ability to dog**** efficiently.

Guru if you start an athiest club can I be the goon enforcer?

 

[guru]

Guru if you start an athiest club can I be the goon enforcer?

Yer a shoooo in for that position

 

[guru]

jesus christ, shorten your posts people I'm at work and this is seriously handicapping my ability to dog**** efficiently.

Not sure who this is directed at... I don't recall anyone's alias as "jesus christ" ... The Guru is second in command though

.... and don't give us the "I'm at work" line.... as if you do anything there... now fcuk off, I'm too busy here at work for the likes of you...

 

[dazza]

I love Bruce Allen but he's nothing compared to this guy

 

[Backline16]

That free and democratic society is at risk due to the charter of rights.

Yikes!!! this ranks right up there with:

"Sometimes you have to give up your rights in order to be free"

Guru... not even close or funny. What human being in Canada does not deserve all the rights and freedoms that you enjoy??? Please name names. Or else be throw on the fence with the rest of us "pussified PC culturalists"

Canada is what it is. You want to be American and give up your passport? I don't. And I share that setiment with a great many immigrants who chose Canada over any other part of the world. I don't care if you are related to Sir John A. MacDonald himself, you have one vote, one voice. Just like the rest of us. Canada attracts people of other cultures\countries because it offers a better alternative to where they are. Groups of like minded Canadians have freedom of association, and also have the right to say what they will. If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with Canada.

Groups that unify votes are a part of that as well. Trade unions and the NDP for example. Not one NDP supporter has broken the law when he votes on party lines, neither does an Indo-Canadian who looks to community leaders for guidance. Open your eyes up man...we have an entire national party that is a voting Bloc!!! You want to support Bruce Allen's freedoms, by taking away someone elses??? Wierd.

Why not say, Brue Allen can say what ever he wants,.. and so can everyone else. Which means when Brue Allen pops off about something, he should be ready for those who oppose.

 

[guru]

What human being in Canada does not deserve all the rights and freedoms that you enjoy??? .... If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with Canada.

Nicely spun.... and not worth responding to cuz you put words in my mouth that weren't even close nor relative.
And yes, I have a huge problem with the way Canada's run... as I said, I'm a pure socialist at heart... remove religion, and you allieviate 95% of the problem...

Anyone wishing to waste some time can read this, (see link below) the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and see if it's worth anything at all. It's mostly there to protect the French language and criminals. It has one mere mention of equality for women... (like it should have to mention this at all is an insult to the human race), it mentions nothing about men having rights, and it's so out dated that it doesn't even recognize Nunavut... it's a joke!
The most rediculous part of this charter though, is the fact it's FOUNDED on Religion... Mr. Mulrony saw to that.... in fact here's the opening statement to the charter:

"Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law."

Read it here if you like.... it's a pile of shite!!! :
Canadian charter of rights and freedoms

 

[Backline16]

Anyone wishing to waste some time can read this, (see link below) the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and see if it's worth anything at all. It's mostly there to protect the French language and criminals. It has one mere mention of equality for women... (like it should have to mention this at all is an insult to the human race), it mentions nothing about men having rights, and it's so out dated that it doesn't even recognize Nunavut... it's a joke!
Read it here if you like.... it's a pile of shite!!! :
Canadian charter of rights and freedoms

A true patriot! Guru you have outdone yourself. My personal rights and freedoms are very important to me and, being a citizen, means all of them applie to me. Mens rights?!?! Are you kidding me? What rights do men need above other citizens. Every citizen, Everyone, every person, and any individual are the words that begin most of the declarations. How much more specific does it need to be? It is way shorter than the updated Guru version.

All men, All women, (except for criminals, which includes people who have been charged but not convicted) and all people, (except those religeous types), every Canadian (but not the french ones) are entitled to the following rights and freedoms...

Sounds like the Canada Guru could be Prime Minister of

 

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[guru]

Sounds like the Canada Guru could be Prime Minister of

Thanks.... but don't nominate me, I'd decline anyway....

.... you are one daft fcuker aren't you... I was pointing out that the charter makes the point of saying "everyone", yet that women must be given rights.... as in they aren't paet of "everyone" according to the charter!!!

Fcukin twat.... why should women have to be included seperatetly from the charter... as in 'THEY ARE/WERE NOT PEOPLE' according to the charter (this was written in 1982 when Mr. Mulroney was in power.... clearly the conservatives felt it necessary to finally include women into the human race... JUST LIKE MEN... (well almost)....

I was in fact saying that if women have to be mentioned in the charter, then men should be as well... (we don't need to mention other species here, cuz you don't get a vote, and aren't covered under the charter)... or don't you agree women to be equal??

You are correct on one point though.... No I don't believe people in prison deserve the same rights as the people who don't get caught.... I mean people on the outside...

The Charter also does not recognize the population of Nunavut, but does go on in dreadful length about how there should be French as well as Englishin EVERY government location (Canada is the only country in the world with two 'official' languages). The charter doesn't seem to care that neither of those are spoken by the majority of the aboriginals in the territories, who were here eons before either of the others...

If one was to make an argument for a french language, and it was to be installed, then the same argument should be applied for the native tounge.... it's not, so fcuk the french... They lost, The english won, we should be an official english language country!

According to the charter, everyone who is a Canadian Citizen has the right to vote:

3. Every citizen of Canada has the right to vote in an election of members of the House of Commons or of a legislative assembly and to be qualified for membership therein.
15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.


This means that no matter how old you are, if you have citizenship, you can vote.... I wish I knew this when I was 7

The charter is a joke... period! People cite it when they need to make some political statement.... such as the helmet law, and we cannot dispute it, because we have to recognize the rights of the religions FIRST, before the rights of the laws...
IE: Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God.... .... blah blah blah!

 

[guru]

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Well... since you can't understand the "big" words... I'll try and write this simply...
The charter protects people who don't want to wear safety helmets, because in the charter, religion is the law.... it states this in the opening line... Simply put, religion is law according to this charter.

I think this is directly related to the topic at hand. Political correctness and it's ability to supersede laws based on religion...

 

[Backline16]

.... why should women have to be included seperatetly from the charter... as in 'THEY ARE/WERE NOT PEOPLE' according to the charter (this was written in 1982 when Mr. Mulroney was in power.... clearly the conservatives felt it necessary to finally include women into the human race... JUST LIKE MEN... (well almost)....

Please cite the sentence you keep reffering to... I for the life of me, can't find it in the Charter... I only see this

15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

Which is pretty easy to understand, but I can see you are having difficulties...

 

[Backline16]

This means that no matter how old you are, if you have citizenship, you can vote.... I wish I knew this when I was 7

No it dosen't... but I don't really feel like expending the energy trying to explain to you why. Talk about using the Charter to make ridiculous arguments! Show me a seven year old with the appropriate ID needed to vote Guru?... and I'm the daft fcuker???

 

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