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RIP Wade Belak
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johnnybluenose
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Bad news comes in 3's.
Horrific stuff, hopefully this is natural causes or something not related to suicide, drugs etc.
Horrific stuff, hopefully this is natural causes or something not related to suicide, drugs etc.
bergamascho
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What
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Fcuk
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Going
On
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The
NHL
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The
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Going
On
In
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The Apprentice
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From all reports Belak had a lot of positives going on his post hockey career. Was shooting battle of the blades for CBC and had signed on to do Nashville Predators radio broadcasts. He was just on the team 1040 last week talking about Rypien.
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Not good.
Almost surreal. Something is wrong.
Knowing Hockey Canada, they'll probably react to this, have a national conference and make positive changes to hockey in Canada to combat it.
Soccer has lots of problems in Canada and the CSA does nothing...
Almost surreal. Something is wrong.
Knowing Hockey Canada, they'll probably react to this, have a national conference and make positive changes to hockey in Canada to combat it.
Soccer has lots of problems in Canada and the CSA does nothing...
cascadesoccer
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Article says a body was seen hanging 'The sweetest, most gentle guy ever,' former Leaf Belak commits suicide - thestar.com thoughts are with his family, this is horrible.
'The sweetest, most gentle guy ever,' former Leaf Belak commits suicide - thestar.com thoughts are with his family, this is horrible.johnnybluenose
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as horrible and sad as this is, committing suicide when you're leaving a wife and two kids behind is a brutally selfish act.
Rypien taking his own life obviously leaves a ripple and a hole in that family, but no kids have been left without a daddy and no wife is a widow.
I am gutted for his wife and kids.
Perhaps it IS time to look at killing fighting in the NHL, or at least doing something drastic to the rules and rosters to ensure teams don't have spots for players whose primary role is to fight... Belak and Boogaard were "enforcers" plain and simple, without fighting in the game they wouldn't have become NHL'ers...same argument could be made for Rypien, however Rypien could play a little...
I know from my days playing, at one point was purely asked to play a third/fourth line role to check and fight, which subsequently had me leave junior and go back to playing Juvenile AAA in Minor hockey. It's very unsettling when you know you're going to have to fight. I think these guys start off life enjoying it, but eventually it becomes old hat and you want something else. I wasn't good enough to do anymore and I certainly wouldn't have gone far on fighting alone, so it was an easy decision for me...the guys that do posses these skills and climb the ranks only on the merits of their fists and chin must live a horrible life.
Time to start a dead nhl enforcers society like Argyle's Dead Wrestlers Society?
Rypien taking his own life obviously leaves a ripple and a hole in that family, but no kids have been left without a daddy and no wife is a widow.
I am gutted for his wife and kids.
Perhaps it IS time to look at killing fighting in the NHL, or at least doing something drastic to the rules and rosters to ensure teams don't have spots for players whose primary role is to fight... Belak and Boogaard were "enforcers" plain and simple, without fighting in the game they wouldn't have become NHL'ers...same argument could be made for Rypien, however Rypien could play a little...
I know from my days playing, at one point was purely asked to play a third/fourth line role to check and fight, which subsequently had me leave junior and go back to playing Juvenile AAA in Minor hockey. It's very unsettling when you know you're going to have to fight. I think these guys start off life enjoying it, but eventually it becomes old hat and you want something else. I wasn't good enough to do anymore and I certainly wouldn't have gone far on fighting alone, so it was an easy decision for me...the guys that do posses these skills and climb the ranks only on the merits of their fists and chin must live a horrible life.
Time to start a dead nhl enforcers society like Argyle's Dead Wrestlers Society?
With honest all due respect Johnny, that is a popular statement made by people who haven't had a close person in their lives commit suicide. I have. I hear and read these types of statements all the time, and it makes my blood boil. I can tell you, I hold no ill will to the loved one I lost, I just miss her.
Depression is a terrible disease. No cure, and treatment that is hugely dependant on the person suffering from the depression staying on meds that make them feel like shite, and in a lot of cases, make them unbalanced in other areas. Not only is your mind in an ill state, but the rest of your body suffers, too. Sleep deprivation, extreme fatigue. Not a good place.
The person who commits suicide is a person who is clearly not in a state of mind to make sound decisions. They don't mean to be selfish, they just want to escape their own pain.
I can't imagine what it would be to be in that state of mind. I hope I never find out.
RIP Wade Belak.
cascadesoccer
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I think banning fighting from hockey is just a quick fix solution that wouldn't solve anything IMO. I think it is a coincidence that 3 guys who were infact inforcers have passed in this short span. I say this because, ufc fights and boxers also take multiple head shots and that is their life in all aspects, and we do not see nor hear of many of their deaths. The dead wrestlers society does have way to many losses and many due to heart attack or suicide, but one can assume and stereotype that to steroids, which is just a guess, but I would bet that its a key factor. The end result in all of it is just sad, and familys destroyed
It's a sad thinkg for sure, but I also don't think you can lump all enforcers into the depressed/suicidal/whatever category. Why haven't enforcers from the 70's and 80's all started committing suicide? What is the percentage of the general population that is depressed to the point that they attempt suicide? I'm sure that you'll find that the statistics will be similar in this cohort. Add to this the readily available vices such as drugs etc because simply put they can afford it, and you've probably got your answer. Like I said, sad nonetheless.
johnnybluenose
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@ Dude, you're right: I haven't lost anyone close to me via suicide, thus I don't know- that's just my stated perception/opinion being a guy that has a wife and 2 young kids in a close knit large family. I didn't mean for my comment to be taken as flippant or whatever, and I also appreciate that it might be taken that way by someone who has lost a loved one due to depression.
@ Cascadesoccer: I'm not calling for a ban on fighting in hockey, I'd say this though: The NHLPA and NHL should do whatever they can to do 2 things:
1) Make it incredibly difficult to have a guy on the roster whose sole role is to fight
2) Make big penalties and suspensions for "staged fights"
I don't think anyone has a problem with say a Ryan Kesler going hard into a corner and finishing a check off of on someone and then dropping the gloves with a Jarome Iginla or Vinny Lecavalier, or others... What I think is tired and done is team A sending out their pugilist to scrap team b's pugilist... just for the sake of a "pick me up" for their team. Not all tough guys can play, but some guys that can really play are tough... There's no reason to have a 200+ PIMs guy on an NHL roster anymore, and these guys dropping like flies to Drugs, depression, anxiety, suicide, etc is proof enough that it's not worth it.
@ Bronco: Couldn't have said it better myself.
@ Cascadesoccer: I'm not calling for a ban on fighting in hockey, I'd say this though: The NHLPA and NHL should do whatever they can to do 2 things:
1) Make it incredibly difficult to have a guy on the roster whose sole role is to fight
2) Make big penalties and suspensions for "staged fights"
I don't think anyone has a problem with say a Ryan Kesler going hard into a corner and finishing a check off of on someone and then dropping the gloves with a Jarome Iginla or Vinny Lecavalier, or others... What I think is tired and done is team A sending out their pugilist to scrap team b's pugilist... just for the sake of a "pick me up" for their team. Not all tough guys can play, but some guys that can really play are tough... There's no reason to have a 200+ PIMs guy on an NHL roster anymore, and these guys dropping like flies to Drugs, depression, anxiety, suicide, etc is proof enough that it's not worth it.
@ Bronco: Couldn't have said it better myself.
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johnnybluenose
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johnnybluenose
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http://m.torontosun.com/2011/11/06/laraque-nhl-has-a-steroid-problem
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