Premier Campbell charged with drunk driving

[Screw You Captain]

putz, putz, putz

Well, well, where to start. Interesting that out of all the other premiers who've faced charges (Bennet, Vander Zalm, Harcourt, Clark,) big GC will probably be the only one with a conviction. He's already the only one with a goofy mug shot.

Power, you've obviously got your hands on some fine Korean weed. This is more than a personal issue. There are probably too many TTPers and people in general who've driven over the limit, but it's still inexcusable. There are also too many too many of us who know someone killed or injured by drunk drivers. Power, you might remember one accident our dear father was involved in (not the drunk) where 3 people got killed and he almost did too, no?

Bottom line, I get busted, I lose my job. He should too.

Solidarity, Dude

 

[Regs]

I get busted, I lose my job

I call bullshite. You would actually lose your job? You're a teacher, aren't you? If you got a charge over the summer holidays, you're saying you'd be fired?

I'm not condoning his actions but I tire of these knee-jerk reactions. For instance, did anyone read the piece by Micheal Smyth/Smith/Whateverthefcukitis in the Province yesterday where he attempted to link this thing with the tragic death in Langley because the driver there had a past driving under the influence charge? Talk about having an axe to grind and demonising someone in the worst possible way

~Regs.

 

[Fastshow]

concurrence..........

I agree with Regs and I believe that's a TTP first. Whatever his political bent and despite the fact drink-driving is reprehensible, we've all done it I'm willing to wager, some more than others. I know I did for years and was only collared once (top tip: avoid the Cambie Bridge when pissed). It's not big and it's not clever but it's a (sad) fact of life.

The poor cnut's hardly Robert Mugabe for Christ's sake.

 

[Gaffa]

probem is...

...our Gord isn't living up to his own standards. Thats what gets my goat. If this were a member of his cabinet he would expect the letter on his desk within 24 hours. If the 'letter' wasn't forthcoming he'd fire the minister, no question. It's a double standard that is gonna come back to haunt him.

Another thing. He doesn't think he's got a problem, but he's going for professional advice on the matter. Fine. One problem. He thinks he's just a social drinker...I expect he is, however the clinical definitions of alcoholism all point to the man 'clinically' having a problem. Whats the first thing they all say...'I'm never gonna drink again'. He's not expecting to be told he does have a problem. Any Registered Clinical Shrink worth a dame is gonna tell him he does have a problem! What then? "...Um, sorry, I've gotta get to a 'meeting'...can you decide about the Olympic thingy. I'll be back in an hour..."

Fasty, I don't disagree with the fact we've all done it at some stage, and its wrong..but none of us are the PREMIER OF BC...the head law maker of the friggin province...

Although I don't agree with the mans politics most of the time, I have come to admire the fact that previous to this he always had the courage of his own convictions and has made many tough, but needed decsions. He now needs to show that courage again and step down...

 

[girth]

So where's the line now?

My question is where is the line now for his team.Would stealing be means to step down?(I guess Clark help answer that) , would public nudity get you toasted(holy crap I've seen his team please NO). Basically anything goes now as long as you seek counsilling and say your sorry. My guess is he had atleast 10 ounces in him to impare his driving enough to make him noticably swerving all over the road.(1 martini = atleast 2-3 ounces) times 3 plus who knows how much wine. I'm surprised he was able to get the hawaiian hooker out without the cops seeing.Basically it's the trust issue that he's lost and probably for good from those people who either never trusted him to begin with and also the ones that were on the fence.

 

[Sandman]

Let's just say he resigns...........
who'll be the fcuking nightmare that will replace him?
Christie Clark? Gimme a break!


Let's just say the Liberals lose the next election.........
Joy McPhail? enough said!

Sandman

 

[Gaffa]

Good point Sandman

...the only reason Gord has the support of his party is the fact there isn't a natural successor to the job. They (the liberals) are not in the process of grooming a new leader at this time, therefore there isn't anybody who's willing or able to take on the job. The only thing they can do is stand behind the drunk guy and prop him up as best they can...

It' ll come back to haunt them in time. You'll see.

 

[Keeper]

I call bullshite. You would actually lose your job? You're a teacher, aren't you? If you got a charge over the summer holidays, you're saying you'd be fired?

While I don't think a teacher would be outright fired for a DUI charge/conviction, I can see how it might occur. Case law suggests that a teacher can lose his/her job if behaviour outside the classroom impedes performance inside the classroom (and that includes his/her effectiveness based on the students' perception of/respect for that teacher). For example if a teacher advises students to be responsible and warns them of the dangers of alcohol and is later arrested for DUI . . . . well, I'm sure you get the point.

However, I didn't mean to digress and become so pedantic here. The point I'd really like to make is that it pisses me off how some individuals equal Campbell's job with the likes of "an accountant or logger" (as I heard last night on the tele). Paraphrasing, they suggested that people shouldn't and don't automatically lose their jobs for infractions such as this. But, as Gaffa mentioned earlier, the Premier should and must be held to a higher standard than the rest of us.

Both moral and political sense dictates that a premier who garners a criminal record while in office must step aside. You can not cut it any other way.

 

[hammerhead]

please correct me if Im wrong but...

My understanding of the whole deal is that in Hawaii, its just a misdermenor ( sp ? where is that spell check function? ) charge for the first offense, and not a criminal one. Is this correct? Im no lawyer, but if that is so, he wont get a criminal record, so there is no need for him to resign on that basis. Its not like he was fcuking some fat chick in his office afterhours and booking it as OT.

I am curious as to what the DUI level is in Hawaii, and exactly what his blood alcohol level was, mostly out of morbid curiosity.

 

[Regs]

I am curious as to what the DUI level is in Hawaii, and exactly what his blood alcohol level was, mostly out of morbid curiosity.

The level is the same as here, .08

As for what his actually is, numbnuts Michael Smith said in the paper today that it was the public's right to know - again, I call bullshite... what's the point other than what Hammerhead refers to as morbid curiousity?

~Regs.

 

[the manager]

more on the issue

as it appears, the NDP chickie Joey/Jody (whatever) Mcfail (SP) had a good point on the news tonight. She mentioned that had it been someone else who was in office and in the same circumstance with Campbell as the opposition, Campbell would have been crying for his resignation, thus, not holding himself, in the current situation, to the same standard that he would impose from the other side of the fence. Further, I am unimpressed with the attempts by Campell to 'tone-down' the seriousness of the issue. It is like saying....'I'm sorry for punching you in the face....I know it was wrong....but it wasn't that hard....I mean, I didn't break your nose or make it blead...or anything like that...it was a harmless punch.". Why can't people appologize and leave it at that....

As for the position I take on the issue of wheather he should step down or remain in office, I am undecided....who would replace him sufficiently? it is always in due time a man's true character will be revealed....is there anyone qualified?

manager

 

[the power]

SYC, you've failed to tell me how this is more than a personal issue. How does a drunk driving charge materially affect his ability to run the province? And I know you're probably thinking he must be drunk most of the time to change things the way he has, but that's beside the point. He's already being held to a higher standard than everyone else by having his photo and apology broadcast across the continent. I wouldn't call for any politician to resign over a personal issue that doesn't have political connections.

 

[Dude]

Now that we have the Monday Sun, Province, Post, and Globe to read over this until we’re blue in the face, a couple of thoughts:

· Joy McPhail has done the expected and called for Campbell to step down, questioning his “morality”. Damn those who throw stones in glass houses. Here is a politician who is whispered about throughout the cabinet as being a party girl and the easiest pincushion BC has had to offer since Pamela Anderson left for Baywatch. She should have either taken the high road, of let Jenny Kwan throw the stones.

· His public apology seemed very sincere, for what it’s worth. Let’s not forget, we’re all human. In terms of staying below the legal limit: by my count after many nights at NAP in the change room, both SYC and I should be digging ditches somewhere right now, and carrying buss passes. People learn from their mistakes. And I’m sure 99% of all beer guzzling TTPers have been there too. Even Keeper. Besides, SYC will stand by his NDP party card 100% of the time, no matter what, and would demand the premier step down if he knew he stole a Twinkie from the local 7-Eleven as an 18-year old. He’s a communist, and shouldn’t be allowed near explosives (TM: Ballbaby).

· Should he stick it out (and he seems determined to), let’s look at the positive side of things:
1. His public support will drop, meaning voters will need to look elsewhere come election time. This means that we should have better balance in the caucus next time around.
2. He’ll need to start thinking about winning some votes back. Perhaps he’ll relax on some of the drastic cost cutting measures he’s undertaken. Or not. Who knows?

· “Both moral and political sense dictates that a premier who garners a criminal record while in office must step aside.” Again Keeps- who is capable of taking his place right now? Can our Province afford another Premier stepping down? As I heard in NW this evening: Campbell is the Quarterback of the Libs. Nobody is even close to being capable of taking over that party, and fulfilling their mandate. Nobody has the same work ethic, charisma, and frankly, brass balls. Nobody in opposition is even close to being capable of providing the type of leadership this province needs right now, even if Campbell called an election tomorrow. If he steps down now, our Province will fall so far back into the red, we may be looking at an insurmountable hole to dig out of.

He fcuked up, huge. I’ve personally have had a great laugh at his expense. I’m pretty sick of all the self-righteousness going around, though. Fcuk…give it a rest. For the better of the Province, he needs to stick around. Should the voters elect someone new in two years, so be it. My prediction is that he’ll lose votes, but he’ll win another majority in two years. I think the party will weather the storm, and I’m hoping the political landscape becomes stronger for it, not weaker.

 

[Screw You Captain]

the beautiful game

Yes, it's a zoo alright. It always feels so much better being outside the glass house. I certainly never really expected him to resign, but I sure hope this bites him on the ass for a long time to come. I've particularly enjoyed watching the seniors whom he's sodomized (after they voted for him at 97.3% no less) foam at the mouth over it.

Besides, SYC will stand by his NDP party card 100% of the time, no matter what, and would demand the premier step down if he knew he stole a Twinkie from the local 7-Eleven as an 18-year old. He’s a communist, and shouldn’t be allowed near explosives (TM: Ballbaby).

Dude, do you have video evidence of the alleged Twinkie theft? This story keeps getting bigger. I understand that's just a misdemeanor in Hawaii, though Yes, I'm a socialist and enjoying every second of it. Nice post, my jackboot wearing brother.

You might think the 13 camera crews in Maui could get some more bikini shots in.

 

[Keeper]

In terms of staying below the legal limit: by my count after many nights at NAP in the change room, both SYC and I should be digging ditches somewhere right now, and carrying buss passes. People learn from their mistakes. And I’m sure 99% of all beer guzzling TTPers have been there too. Even Keeper.

I stand corrected, Dude. You're right: since everybody does it, it's o.k. for the premier to do it too.

Nobody is even close to being capable of taking over that party, and fulfilling their mandate. Nobody has the same work ethic, charisma, and frankly, brass balls. Nobody in opposition is even close to being capable of providing the type of leadership this province needs right now, even if Campbell called an election tomorrow. If he steps down now, our Province will fall so far back into the red, we may be looking at an insurmountable hole to dig out of.

This has to be the most ridiculous attempt at a legimate use of "The Golden Rule" I've ever read. So long as you maneouver yourself to be an important and crucial member of government, feel free to do whatever you want 'cause you ain't gettin' fired.

He who has the gold, makes the rules.[/quote]As for what his actually is, numbnuts Michael Smith said in the paper today that it was the public's right to know - again, I call bullshite... what's the point other than what Hammerhead refers to as morbid curiousity?[/quote]Regs, I agree completely. He blew over 0.08 -- that's enough info. Likewise, I don't understand why Campbell took the trouble to specifically mention Fred & Cathy. I'm sure journalists would've pushed for an answer but did anyone really care?

And finally, as far as personal behaviour should or should not impact one's public life (i.e. public office), everyone should remember how Campbell pushed and pushed until Gordon Wilson stepped aside in light of his affair with Judi T. Hypocritical fcuker.

 

[Screw You Captain]

If he steps down now, our Province will fall so far back into the red, we may be looking at an insurmountable hole to dig out of.

We're out of the red? Great! Virgin champagne all around.

 

[peter]

Morbidly relevant

What he blew is extremely important in my mind: If he was .1, I might be able to forgive him especially if he had been drinking water for a while. If he blew a .22 (which I did circa '81) he exhibited a blatant disregard for others and the law and I think he should step down.

From what I've seen on the news, he blew about 40 minutes after he was stopped. The cops also said they tell the accused what the level is and that it's right there in big letters on an LCD display on the measuring device right in front of him. Campbell knows what his blood/alcohol level was and he's not saying or he was too pissed to remember or focus.

A couple of other issues that come to mind are:

1) How responsible are Fred and Cathy for letting him leave their house in that state? According to the cops and all the blurbage in the paper this last festive season, it's a good idea to take everyone's keys as they enter your house and it might come down to where you have to physically take keys from your pissed guest.

Don't let people pour their own drinks and cut them off after 2 or 3. This is what you're supposed to do if you want to avoid liability and what they teach in the BCLC's "Serving it Right" exam (which is required to get liquor licenses).

The result is very ironic indeed: if I get shitfaced enough and take off in my car and cause some damage, it's some bartender/waitress/host's fault: I'm not responsible for my own actions.

2) Locally, there isn't very good public transport late at night. Translink cut the services because they weren't profitable (I think they may be reinstating some services in the post-Puil regime). This service is needed more than safe injection zones. It should be easy and relatively affordable to get home when you have to much to drink. I think even the cost of a cab causes some people to get behind the wheel when they shouldn't.

There are other issues that this brings up like driver safety and who has to clean up the puke but these things are better than the alternative.

My fingers hurt...

 

[Buckfast]

You're onto something, Pierre.

Finally. I've been waiting for someone else to say it.

Without a doubt, it's Fred-diddy and Cathy's fault.

I say electrodes to the testicles followed by a session of the ol' rusty coathanger down the old snake-eye. That will learn him.

With that decided, carry on Gordo.

This has to be the most ridiculous attempt at a legimate use of "The Golden Rule" I've ever read. So long as you maneouver yourself to be an important and crucial member of government, feel free to do whatever you want 'cause you ain't gettin' fired.

Keeper, if you want an fine example of such, I recommend that you get your head out of your ass (careful know) and have a gander at the province just east of us. How are they doing?

Buckfast

 

[Dude]

Keeper,

As Raef Maeir would say, "You're running out the clock! Answer the questions!"

Can you honestly say our Province can afford to have yet another premier step down right now, and if so, who in your mind is capable RIGHT NOW of taking over?

Peter: you mention the transportation issue...how about a taxi? Expensive, yes, but if you're planning to go out and get ripped, plan to spend whatever it takes to get home, or sleep in your car. This is our man's fateful error. Blaming the system isn't an excuse.

Let's keep this in perspective...he fcuked up big time, so let's ride the guilt trip as long as possible, without further ruining our province at the same time.

Jackboots in a glass house,

Dude.

 

[Sandman]

on another side note, the Premier had insinuated that he drove a"short distance" back to his hotel...............Kihei to Napili is not a "short distance". Having driven that road myself, it is AT LEAST 45 minutes........it's a winding road with very minimal lighting........

Sandman