Global Warming

[mtkb]

They can listen from a jail cell. What you are describing as an "option" is not one in a democratic society. Full stop. Unless, of course, you'd like to invite the truckers back to Ottawa. Didn't think so.

The way you change things is to vote people into power who agree with you. The government of the day - odious as they are - was picked by the people and either they step in and force Trans Mountain to do what you want or they let it proceed and you and the enviro stand down. Those are the options.

Forcing your way because not enough people agree with you for the democratically elected government to step in is anarchy, and must never be tolerated.

 

[PV]

Look no further than the current crisis in Sri Lanka. Sir Lanka has an ESG score of 98 from IMF/World Bank. The US has a 51. Their government banned the use of ammonia in their farming and they've had massive losses in crops yields and some farmers just shutting down the shop. It's caused an economic collapse.

Just watched a news report about Sri Lanka which blamed the crisis on government deficits over many years.

 

[johnnybluenose]

Just watched a news report about Sri Lanka which blamed the crisis on government deficits over many years.

That's not the genesis of the problem, The govt went woke and now they're going broke.

Rising Social Unrest Over Energy, Food Shortages Threatens Global Stability

2022 is seeing the convergence of a series of factors that are threatening to disrupt global stability. One factor has been the habit of some governments of prioritizing the meeting of climate and ESG targets over their citizens warm and fed.

www.forbes.com

You think the avergae German person will give one flying fcuk about climate change when they're freezing their behind off this winter?

Elections Have Consequences.

 

[mtkb]

To say nothing of the bloodbath that's coming in the US in November... thank God...

 

[PV]

Vatican supports Fossil Fuel Non-Proliferation Treaty - English

A senior Vatican official has expressed support for the campaign for a global Fossil Fuels Non-Proliferation Treaty as part of the effort to stop the climate crisis spinning out of control. "The planet already is 1. © ANSA

www.ansa.it

The Vatican has signed onto the Fossil Free Fuel Treaty, and divesting from oil industry.

 

[Regs]

Have they signed on to the diddling young people free treaty yet?

 

[bulljive]

man that made me giggle

 

[utah]

Have they signed on to the diddling young people free treaty yet?

Regs was an altar boy...

 

[PV]

Don't want to distract from the pedophile priests story, but here is a new Ripleys Believe It Or Not story from BBC alleging coverups by the oil industry and advertising execs to hide climate change. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62225696

 

[freddy]

Don't want to distract from the pedophile priests story, but here is a new Ripleys Believe It Or Not story from BBC alleging coverups by the oil industry and advertising execs to hide climate change. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62225696

The next thing I expect to hear from you is that the tobacco industry covered up the addictiveness of nicotine and cancer

 

[mtkb]

Don't want to distract from the pedophile priests story, but here is a new Ripleys Believe It Or Not story from BBC alleging coverups by the oil industry and advertising execs to hide climate change. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62225696

Yawn.

 

[PV]

Maybe a yawn now, but that will change when the oil companies get sued for climate change costs and they start booking it as a contingent liability. Won't be good for shareholders.

 

[mtkb]

Maybe a yawn now, but that will change when the oil companies get sued for climate change costs and they start booking it as a contingent liability. Won't be good for shareholders.

Good luck quantifying that. Oh and proving causation. And a breach of a standard of care owed to the plaintiffs. And that their actions were negligent. In other words, every single requirement of a successful lawsuit.

I'd love to be a shareholder right now. Thanks to Putin, oil friendly governments are going to be elected sooner than later all over the western world. Drill, baby, drill. Love to see it.

PV, you're too smart a guy to be this fcuking blind. We're literally importing oil from despotic regimes with far worse environmental standards (to say nothing of their human rights records) than ours, all the while deriding oil as yesterday's energy source.

Who do you think you're kidding with all your anti-oil nonsense???

 

[johnnybluenose]

You can be pro environment and okay with development of domestic energy infrastructure... these things aren't mutually exclusive.

You don't need a degree or certification in Finance to understand that Private Corporations and Governments have metrics by which to evaluate whether they should or should not deploy capital, and whether or not the capital deployment pays a return. ROIC, NPV's, IRR's are all metrics you need to think about. There is infrastructure with effective life that needs to be utilized. Coal Fired plants can be converted to NatGas. Pipelines can be multi-product. Port infra, etc.

I'd love to see your comments on what resource development would need to look like to electrify everything...immediately... how many copper, coal, bauxite, iron ore, lithium, cobalt, graphite etc mines would need to be built - these are also not renewable resources FYI.

How wasteful would it be to damn all IC Engine vehicles to the recycling yard? If you bought a nice biodiesel fueled commuter car that had 250k km of useful life left... would you scrap it or just ship it to some far flung developing nation so the hydrocarbons could be burned there, so you feel like you're doing the "right thing" here? Like drinking your Starbucks iced coffee in a plastic cup through a paper straw...

Individuals and discrete corporations will migrate when the technology is both cost effective, and available.

GHG emissions don't have passports and don't respect sovereign national boundaries. The Western World can, and is, adopt new tech such as EV's, alternative fuels, carbon sequestration with further refining to synthetic fuels, etc.

 

[PV]

You can be pro environment and okay with development of domestic energy infrastructure... these things aren't mutually exclusive..... etc.

Not sure how to reply to this. Option 1 a quote from Thunberg "blah, blah blah blah blah".
Option 2 Deutschland jedenfalls hat nicht die Absicht, sich dieser jüdischen Bedrohung zu beugen, sondern vielmehr die, ihr rechtzeitig, wenn nötig unter vollkommen und radikalster Ausr... -schaltung [Ausrottung / Ausschaltung] des Judentums entgegenzutreten.

Option 3 I prefer this option as a response because it gores the notion that businesses and government make good decisions.

Trans Mountain pipeline to result in net loss for Ottawa: PBO

Latest analysis shows the net present value of the pipeline is negative $600 million

financialpost.com

For those who missed it, the Parliamentary Budget Office analyzed the new Trans Mountain pipeline and concluded its a money loser. But Freeland insists it will be profitable if it can operate for 100 years.

 

[mtkb]

Not sure how to reply to this. Option 1 a quote from Thunberg "blah, blah blah blah blah".
Option 2 Deutschland jedenfalls hat nicht die Absicht, sich dieser jüdischen Bedrohung zu beugen, sondern vielmehr die, ihr rechtzeitig, wenn nötig unter vollkommen und radikalster Ausr... -schaltung [Ausrottung / Ausschaltung] des Judentums entgegenzutreten.

Option 3 I prefer this option as a response because it gores the notion that businesses and government make good decisions.

Trans Mountain pipeline to result in net loss for Ottawa: PBO

Latest analysis shows the net present value of the pipeline is negative $600 million

financialpost.com

For those who missed it, the Parliamentary Budget Office analyzed the new Trans Mountain pipeline and concluded its a money loser. But Freeland insists it will be profitable if it can operate for 100 years.

It's a money loser because of the idiotic and never-ending hoops they've had to jump through, and the illegal and frankly domestic terrorism related activities the eco-radicals have gotten up to trying to frustrate the project. For any greeny to turn around and say "see it's a money loser" is simply to admit to their own malfeasance than to make any meritorious point about why the project is a bad idea.

Stop insulting our intelligence.

 

[PV]

This money losing tar sands pipeline was damaged a lot last year during the floods. There are lots of delays now because they fired a lot of workers who were living in the camps and using drugs. They have a no drug policy, not even cannabis is allowed.

 

[johnnybluenose]

There you go about "TAR" Sands again. If you're going to position yourself as some sort of SME on matters of a scientific bent you shouldn't be dishonest in your narratives. (Moron)

 

[johnnybluenose]

Not sure how to reply to this. Option 1 a quote from Thunberg "blah, blah blah blah blah".
Option 2 Deutschland jedenfalls hat nicht die Absicht, sich dieser jüdischen Bedrohung zu beugen, sondern vielmehr die, ihr rechtzeitig, wenn nötig unter vollkommen und radikalster Ausr... -schaltung [Ausrottung / Ausschaltung] des Judentums entgegenzutreten.

Option 3 I prefer this option as a response because it gores the notion that businesses and government make good decisions.

Trans Mountain pipeline to result in net loss for Ottawa: PBO

Latest analysis shows the net present value of the pipeline is negative $600 million

financialpost.com

For those who missed it, the Parliamentary Budget Office analyzed the new Trans Mountain pipeline and concluded its a money loser. But Freeland insists it will be profitable if it can operate for 100 years.

What does a Nazi quote have to do with anything? Are you completely incapable of having a nuanced and factually correct/informed discussion about this? Or have you drank the owl and salamander koolaid and you just spout nonsense and have zero context for broader society?

 

[PV]

What does a Nazi quote have to do with anything? Are you completely incapable of having a nuanced and factually correct/informed discussion about this? Or have you drank the owl and salamander koolaid and you just spout nonsense and have zero context for broader society?

Not just any Nazi, but a quote from the Master of Propaganda because your post was full of it.
You credit the western world for doing so much to stop global warming yet we lead the world in per capita carbon emissions. You say carbon capture is the solution yet carbon capture is nowhere near commercially operable and will require government subsidies and no one wants more taxes so we will complain when that happens.
You say that we can be pro environment and supportive of energy infrastructure. Sounds fair, do you walk the talk? Did you sign the simple petition to save a small wetland that is key to several species which are listed as threatened under the Species at Risk Act?

Sign the Petition

Save Sally the Salamander and Wizer the Owl

www.change.org

Why won't Trans Mountain put its pipe under the wetland or go around it"? Why does it insist on removing the trees and all the other vegetation from this area when it has other options? Yes the answer is money. That means we can be pro environment if it does not costs us more money?