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Has anyone heard if there will be job action at the start of the new school year? I have heard rumblings that if there is job action by teachers that the first form of action would be to again not be involved in coaching or after school activities. I am looking forward to coaching my first boy's highschool soccer team and just trying to get a sense of the possibilty of that actually being a reality.
 

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I can tell you that the "feeling" is that job action in a limited capacity is very divisive amoungst teachers so it would not be a first choice. Right now nothing is planned in terms of anything. Hopefully the employer will actually want to bargain this time so it will be business as usual. Also, as a non teacher you are not bound by any job action so you could still practice. I would just warn you to talk it over with the AD at the school first. You will be offending some people no doubt so that may cause more problems than missing some practice would. (ie. no school support at all in the future)
 

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I think this has been discussed the last go-around of teachers job action... why is it that sports is always the first thing 'to go'?

What percentage of teachers coach? 2% 5%? I would imagine that the teachers that don't coach are the ones that are so "for" this job action and are also the first ones to use "how much extra time teachers put in" for their propoganda (sp?)...

Is this about correct Willis?
 

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Regs said:
I think this has been discussed the last go-around of teachers job action... why is it that sports is always the first thing 'to go'?

What percentage of teachers coach? 2% 5%? I would imagine that the teachers that don't coach are the ones that are so "for" this job action and are also the first ones to use "how much extra time teachers put in" for their propoganda (sp?)...

Is this about correct Willis?


Very true. The Captain will surely agree with that as well. That is why I can't see this being a course of action. It simply gets teachers who coach upset but even more importantly the elective teachers who depend on extra-curricular for their jobs hate it. You may see some teachers who coach stop doing it as happened last time because they are upset personally over some issues but I doubt a province wide move will be made. Besides, as I previously said, hopefully nothing will happen as the present government is not in as much of a bullying mood due to the latest election results so we may actually get a chance to do some bargaining with them this time.
 

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Actually Willis I am a teacher. I have coached numerous teams over the past few years (all of which were girls teams) and now I am looking forward to coaching a boy's soccer team. I hope that you are right and nothing comes of it, it really is a pain in the ass when that sort of action takes place.
 

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I am a teacher and coach a number of sports at school. (small staff) In the past I have supported actions that included working to rule. Why? For me it works this way. Lack of funding for students with learning difficulties and larger class sizes where students get less attention and lack interest in school. For many of those sports have helped create the stumuli that keeps them in school to completion of Grade 12, but without the help of specialist this help is not available and many will not graduate even with sports. How do we effectively make the community aware of the needs of students other than job action, I do not know. School is the one thing that everyone is an expert on as all have at one time or another attended school.
Would it not be wonderful if sports was recognized as an intregal part of school and funding provided to make it so. I believe Australia does this.
 

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I fully agree that it seems to make people listen when it seems like we have to do something to get attention. I think the major problem with extra curricular activites interms of action is it is volunteer time. So no one, the gov't or a union should tell you how to spend it. That is the reality of the opinions of many teachers. I think if anything happens (hoping it does not) the BCTF will go as far as the Labour Relations Board will let them. Don't forget education is an essentail service (total bullsiht, essential to insure parents don't put pressure on the Liberals in the event of a strike) so we as teachers have no idea what type of strike action we are entitled to legally. This is all cart before the horse stuff though. I will wait until school is back in and some decisions are made to worry about it.
 

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willis316 said:
I think the major problem with extra curricular activites interms of action is it is volunteer time. So no one, the gov't or a union should tell you how to spend it.

EXACTLY! It is volunteer time! I chose to coach in the school system not only because I am a teacher, but because it is easier for me to find the time. I have not coached in the community for years because I am still a player. And if I have soccer games on Sundays, than I cannot be in two places and once and try to also coach a club team. For me, the best opportunity to do what I love to do is to do it through the school system, and in the mean time students are given the opportunity to be more active and to compete at a competitive level. I coached 4 highschool teams last year, and I would not have been able to volunteer my time had it not been at a school!
 

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barney said:
Would it not be wonderful if sports was recognized as an intregal part of school and funding provided to make it so. I believe Australia does this.

well if you mean getting all kids active (not just jocks)until gr 11...we do have it..it's called P.E.

I teach PE, have coached for 15 years and find it interesting how much attention and energy goes into school teams and the 20% of the pop. that play them. Also stats show that an overwhelmimg majority of adults do not play a team sport...so why is the system so fixated on team sports. I guess its akin to an academic based curriculum for all, even though a small percentage actually go to university.
My rant with school sports is that it often results in a mediocre PE curriculum because many teachers stop growing and developing their teaching and stick to the basics because they've got other school sport priorities....developing their 15 athletes. Hey I'm not knocking them because I was one of them.
I played on a bunch of school teams and it was great fun, but schools should put more focus on providing intra-mural activities and opportunites for all students to be "in sport." + developing better PE programs for all grades to encourage (perhaps mandate gr11/12) more activity.

Another side note is that its interesting that when a kid signs up for community soccer, the parent has to get them to games, but for school many seem to think its up to the school coach to sort this out. Why does the community rely on teachers to be their youth sport coaches to such a degree? (not so in Europe..community clubs)) Many schools are reaching out for community coaches because they can't fill 6 vb teams, 8 bball teams, 3 soccer teams, 2 badminton teams, track,cross-country, rugby, wrestling, + others...I mean its amazing that the system continues to expect a school to deliver this product year after year. I jumped right in with 2 feet but after 15 years and 3 kids it is a lot to ask for me to give up time with my kids to be home at 7:30 after a game or late practice routinely + tournaments.

But in the end, I agree that the majority who don't coach or do other afterschool stuff (there is more than sports teams that teachers volunteer for by the way) shoudn't dictate what is done on a volunteer basis. And from what I heard in June the Coaches assoc. in Surrey schools voted to continue even if the union called for work -to-rule

all over the map,
Aves
 

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For all you parents out there worried that a labour dispute will disrupt their children's education and extra-curricular activities, I have two words, " Independent Schools". Anyone who needs application forms for the central Fraser Valley, send me an email.
the Fenian (Caring for Our Children) ;) ;) ;)
 

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Aves said:
well if you mean getting all kids active (not just jocks)until gr 11...we do have it..it's called P.E.

You have great points. My point was that the model that I have had described was where sports, team or individual competitions among other schools, took place during the afternoon on school time and that those who did not participate in this type of activity still were required to take pe at the same time. Coaches and teachers were all paid and this was part of their workload.
I would presume that the people who put the above model in place and supported it financially had decided that sports and physical activity was extreemly important for students. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that a nation like Australia excell in the Olympics (compared to us) and are very fit individuals.
 

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