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@mtkb : awesome. On this day, lawyers can stay. Tomorrow we'll go back to the "kill all the lawyers" normal everyday living.

Oh no, you can keep the normal refrain... if you really want to get me going, ask me about how the benchers at the Law Society dealt with the Begbie statue fiasco...
 

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A few things that happened the last couple of weeks:
-Hurtado scored goals in consecutive games
-Felipe red card...could have been yellow or red imo
-Henry with a blunder of an own goal vs TFC
-Caps sitting 1 point out of a play-off spot for now.
-Techera score a fcking header! haha
-Marinovic in the MLS team of the week with a great game vs the timbers

Seems like we're scoring a decent amount of goals this year. Unfortunately we can't keep them out of our own net!
 

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Well, someone to talk to...

  1. Hurtado: not just two consecutive goals, but two very important, impact-full goals that, dare I say, showed a lot of intelligence on timing, patience, and skill. The knock on him has never been work-rate or effort. It has been, simply, that he's got the touch of a blacksmith and intelligence of a jellyfish. Those were not lucky right place right time type of goals. It may be these are isolated incidences, but could it be that the guy has been simply working his ass off in training to improve, and to take his chance when presented? Blondel has been a bust, and frankly, I'd rather see Erick in there ahead of Blondel as your second option striker at this point.
  2. Felipe: I felt it could have been either way, official dependent, and only the tint in WFC glasses would clearly make that a yellow. On a side note, it's become apparent I should have earned WAY MORE REDS in my "career", given the scrutiny these guys are under these days, but that is a different topic.
  3. Playoffs: with an unlikely 3 points last weekend, they gave themselves a chance. Nobody saw three coming, and almost as few saw one coming back.
  4. The rest are simply statements of fact, not so much discussion points, so I'll leave them be. It should be noted, @knvb is a cnut. This hasn't been mentioned in some time, and it's important to keep things as fresh as possible around this place.
 

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LOL :D

Agreed on Hurtado.
He slotted that last one very calmly.
The little flick with his heel to bring it down was well done too.

It would be nice to see him do it again soon and you know what Machel:
I might just be standing corrected here on your view point on him and Rusty earlier in the season when the two of them got the nod in that one game and I said they were rubbish and they wouldn't be seeing the pitch for the rest of the year.
Jurys still out but I can at least see the positivity in both their performances as of late and admit I was perhaps a bit wrong in my assessment.
 

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Yeah, same can be said about RT, but to be fair of all other good midfielders, the guy simply doesn't have much quality in front of him. Was expecting far better from Felipe. Juarez, had no idea, but he came with a very good pedigree, and...well....

That is why it totally baffles me that Davey Norman Jr. can't get a fcuking sniff in this line-up. Juarez is permitted to pull the shite he has, and DN can't find his way out of the clubhouse.
 

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Don't forget it took a year or more before Robbo even put Davies in the starting line up...
And his talent was abundantly obvious to all.

Agreed as well on Jr. - He's older than Davies so give the local boy a freaking chance man.
Its kind of like the Canucks playing the kids - What do you really have to lose?
Its only uptick from there and will speed up his development.

I'm out - Back to you and Machel and your dual jerk wankfest. :D
 

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I like threesomes better.

May have taken a year, but he used him almost right away as a sub. And continued to. Huge difference, but can't compare Davies.

I can compare, however, Ghazal, Juarez, Felipe, etc..

I can't for the life of me understand why he wasn't given a shot in place of that lot? Only Ghazal, to me, gets a pass because he hasn't taken a dump red, or been selfish in the way the other two have.

OK, time to go ride a bike.
 

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That is why it totally baffles me that Davey Norman Jr. can't get a fcuking sniff in this line-up. .

I've heard his name numerous times and I don't think I've seen him play. I'm really curious now! What type of player?..defensive, playmaker, winger etc.

Blondel has been a bust, and frankly, I'd rather see Erick in there ahead of Blondel as your second option striker at this point.

I've watched more games than I'd like to admit this year and would say that Blondel is almost there but I don't know if he'll ever get there. He gets in to a lot of good scoring positions and should have a few goals but his finishing has let him down. His lack of pace is probably one of the last pieces to his puzzle. I think he's smart enough to make the runs but only if he had that extra gear. The question is, can he reach that next gear at his age(24)?

I'm out - Back to you and Machel and your dual jerk wankfest. :D

Bastard. hahaha
 

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I've heard his name numerous times and I don't think I've seen him play. I'm really curious now! What type of player?..defensive, playmaker, winger etc.



I've watched more games than I'd like to admit this year and would say that Blondel is almost there but I don't know if he'll ever get there. He gets in to a lot of good scoring positions and should have a few goals but his finishing has let him down. His lack of pace is probably one of the last pieces to his puzzle. I think he's smart enough to make the runs but only if he had that extra gear. The question is, can he reach that next gear at his age(24)?



Bastard. hahaha

Totally disagree on Blondel. What I see is a guy with a lot of tools and no tool box. With Hurtado, we had a guy with limited tools and no tool box.

Watch the runs Blondel makes; they are predictable, and almost always going South-North, looking for a through ball. How many bloody times does he need to be caught offside before he learns? He has zero change of pace (again, this has nothing to do w/ speed, but about planning and deception), he has no clue how to make a phantom run to draw a defender away, he's constantly crowding his wingers. It's maddening. He has a better touch and control than Hurtado. More dangerous shot. Big man, can post up, can play high or low if he could only just think the game better.

Over the last two years, since returning from Scandinavia, we have seen better movement from Hurtado, more intelligent movement so as to make himself impact when he gets his sniff. His production per minute played over that span has to be the highest on the squad. No we are seeing some better technique to go along with the work-rate and more intelligent play. I like an underdog story, and Hurtado is definitely one...a draft pick vs. a purchased asset in Blondel. Low salary vs. high salary. I think ever club on the planet would prefer a big man with soft feet that can move over a midget track star. Yet...Hurtado is getting the upper hand in this competition. He's also, clearly, hungrier. I wasn't expecting that. It's good to see. He's building his tool box.

Now, would I like the Caps to go and get a real striker? Yes please. Davies money, lets spend it. For now, I can cheer for E-Money.
 

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I've heard his name numerous times and I don't think I've seen him play. I'm really curious now! What type of player?..defensive, playmaker, winger etc.

Last time I saw him play live was WFC2 vs FVSL Allstars, so a while ago to be honest.
I saw a lot of him as a kid in the CMF system in his youth though and I feel he's kind of kept his stripes.
His Dad did a great job of coaching him (and other CMF boys) before he want into the Caps Residency.

He's like 6'2" or something now and I liken him to that kind of Old School German Centre Midfielder ala Ballack/Effenberg.
He does a ton of running in there and always seems to be able to make himself available to keep possession and move forward.
So, 'sort' of holding guy maybe but can still make that offensive run from time to time?

My two bits.
 

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@Dude , I don't disagree with your analysis on Blondel but I wouldn't write him off too quickly. I wasn't a fan of his play as well but I've seen some encouraging things over the course of the season.

Hurtado has definitely taken his chance when called upon so far this season. He could have scored last game as well and that would have been great for his confidence and form. Hope he continues this good stretch for him and the team.
 

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Have you seen Blondel over his past 2-3 appearances? Complete Houdini act!

To add on Norman: very sharp elbows and doesn't seem to mind getting a bite in. I want more.
 

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Yeah no doubt.

Don’t all teams covvet a guy in the middle that can boss the play, physically? Weren’t we craving that when Morales was here? Now that we have a yong player that can potentially grow into that role he’s parked. WTF?
 

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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/theprov...s/we-now-know-the-whitecaps-2018-salaries/amp

Aja $240k -not worth it
Blondell- 250k Hurtado is way better (did I just say that?)
Ghazal- $575k fcuk me really?
Hurtado-150K I can deal with that
Henry- $140 debatable
Kei - $1M nope not worth it to score PKs and the occasional header
Jaurez-$525k half of that is spent on card fines. Beat it
Felipe-$425k I wish we kept Parker
Marinovic-$150 probably deserves more, but we won’t ever pay, ask Ousted.
Nerwinski- $67k he’s getting ripped off
Mutch-$156k seems fair.
Reyna-$440K starting to be A key player it seems.
Tiebert-$140K for a team guy and a Work horse, sure why not.
The Bug-$387K I guess it fair as he does more than most
Waston-$575k I think he’s overrated, causes lots of fouls but he pitches in well. I think $250-300 is his worth.
Shea-$700k maybe 7 years ago.

There are professional soccer players and there are players who can play professional soccer. Caps have no idea on what the difference is, until they do, we will continue to struggle and be a mid table team. Never thought I’d hear myself say “we should be more like Toronto” but they’ve built a great club and have trophies to show for it. We could learn so much from a club stand point on how to sign quality players.
 

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Agree with most @cascadesoccer , however:

Kei - $1M nope not worth it to score PKs and the occasional header
On pace for 15 goals this season and 5 assists. More goals if he didn't already miss a few sitters. Probably worth it, probably.

Reyna-$440K starting to be A key player it seems.
-Slightly over paid.

Waston-$575k I think he’s overrated, causes lots of fouls but he pitches in well. I think $250-300 is his worth.
-Imagine that backline without him though. lol
 

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Agree with most @cascadesoccer , however:

Kei - $1M nope not worth it to score PKs and the occasional header
On pace for 15 goals this season and 5 assists. More goals if he didn't already miss a few sitters. Probably worth it, probably.

Reyna-$440K starting to be A key player it seems.
-Slightly over paid.

Waston-$575k I think he’s overrated, causes lots of fouls but he pitches in well. I think $250-300 is his worth.
-Imagine that backline without him though. lol

We agree!

Kei is worth every penny. Goals are goals, and on any squad, you have a guy designated to take PKs for a reason, he has the mettle to finish them. You can take issue w/ that, but Montero was also a PK specialist, and did far less work off the ball to provide a target. More of a pure poacher (also worth every penny). Compare his production to to other players around the same level, my feeling is he's actually a bargain.

Reyna: if it were based purely on what his playing production is on the pitch, easy money. Too bad he's a snapshow, can take dumb reds, and let's not even discuss his off-field life that affects his on field life. All in all, I think we have him at a bargain.

Waston: if you are going to give value to all positions, there has to be value added to the defensive line as much as the attack. Worth every penny of his $575K IMO. Rainbow scarf or not.

To me, the first player out the door needs to be Juarez, that's obvious, right behind him Shea, Felipe, and then Ghazal. All Ghazal is doing is taking up space and development from Norman Jr., and I'd rather see them live with a bit of growing pain with Davey and see him develope into a reliable HG MLS player that can offer the same, and maybe better, than Ghazal. Nothing against Ghazal, when he's good I think he's very good, it's just that we have HG player that looks to be a better overall bet.

If Shea were only at $250-$300K or so...

Felipe...it hasn't worked out. Good heart, great competitiveness, but we need a real #10, and the Davies money needs to be spent on this and a top end striker. Kai is old, and maybe has a year of good production left.
 

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coached against Norman in a few friendlies with the Residency program along the way; they were using him as a holding midfielder back then but who knows now... he's a right cnut on the pitch, which of course I like.. he'll have to add some bulk to get away with his shite in MLS though, unless they keep Waston around as a guardian angel...

in terms of the salaries, I'll take a crack at fair market value:

Aja - $180K
Blondell - $60K
Ghazal - $200K
Hurtado - $60K
Henry - $140K seems fine to me
Kei - $1 million is plenty fair, love his professionalism and work rate.... what hurts here is coughing up the 1st to get him
Juarez - $125K
Felipe - $300K
Marinovic - $200K
Nerwinski - $90K - the $67 has to be ELC
Mutch - $175K
Reyna - $250K - star has lost some of its shine
Teibert - $60K - really should be like $5K playing at Swangard
Techera - $225K
Waston - $500K
Shea - $150K
 
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