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2018 BC Mens Provincial A Cup - Draw, Predictions, Results & Banter
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Was too bad to hear about delta losing out today. All my opinions aside I feel for the boys and wished they could have slipped by inter. For next year can u atleast get red coastal jerseys? Just a thought. Hard lines fellas.
Canucks4Ever
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LMAO #RedCoastal
Love it!!
Love it!!
Inter 1-0 Coastal
Absolutely gutted from this one. Our pre-game chat was essentially that we know we are better then this team but they find ways to win. Don’t get into the after whistle bullshit or do anything to give the ref an opportunity to influence the match.
I felt from the opening whistle we were the better team, moving the ball around dictating play. If anything they seemed frustrated at their inability to hold possession. About 30min in we had a great long range effort that Fink was just able to tip over the bar. Soon after we rattled a free kick off the bar and down onto the goal line. Then in about the 40th minute a ball was played over the top, their keeper came out and grabbed it knee up as our winger came barreling in. I honestly didn’t have the angle but apparently our winger left his leg in(studs showing), fink admitted he leaned in to make sure there was contact. Red card and an uphill battle. Hard to take as Isaac doesn’t even take yellow cards let alone red ones. Tempers flared the next 5 min and lucky halftime came before things boiled over.
Second half inter had some deep possession as we had to drop a bit being a man down.
They still struggled to break our lines and honestly weren’t creating anything. We were still able to move the ball around and even with 10 I felt we could win. Maybe 30min into the half a ball was played out wide, their winger clearly made the touch with his right biceps and cut in on a tight angle. His hard shot was parried right into the middle and was tapped in from 2 yards out. We pushed late but were running out of legs and struggled to create quality chances.
Losing a man was tough but losing Isaac who is such an important player for us was even tougher. He’s honestly unmarkable at times and creates a majority of our goals for Jake and others. As a teammate the last thing I am is upset at him but gutted for him as sitting there watching your team battle a man down isn’t easy and without him we wouldn’t be here.
Hard to take as I know we play that game 10 times and we win it 9 of them but that’s football. They were missing a few players but honesty we’ve played better teams in the valley. Inter find ways to win, they are winners and I give them all the credit for that.
Look forward to reading Canucks report as being in the game is much different then watching. Sometimes emotions cloud reality.
Absolutely gutted from this one. Our pre-game chat was essentially that we know we are better then this team but they find ways to win. Don’t get into the after whistle bullshit or do anything to give the ref an opportunity to influence the match.
I felt from the opening whistle we were the better team, moving the ball around dictating play. If anything they seemed frustrated at their inability to hold possession. About 30min in we had a great long range effort that Fink was just able to tip over the bar. Soon after we rattled a free kick off the bar and down onto the goal line. Then in about the 40th minute a ball was played over the top, their keeper came out and grabbed it knee up as our winger came barreling in. I honestly didn’t have the angle but apparently our winger left his leg in(studs showing), fink admitted he leaned in to make sure there was contact. Red card and an uphill battle. Hard to take as Isaac doesn’t even take yellow cards let alone red ones. Tempers flared the next 5 min and lucky halftime came before things boiled over.
Second half inter had some deep possession as we had to drop a bit being a man down.
They still struggled to break our lines and honestly weren’t creating anything. We were still able to move the ball around and even with 10 I felt we could win. Maybe 30min into the half a ball was played out wide, their winger clearly made the touch with his right biceps and cut in on a tight angle. His hard shot was parried right into the middle and was tapped in from 2 yards out. We pushed late but were running out of legs and struggled to create quality chances.
Losing a man was tough but losing Isaac who is such an important player for us was even tougher. He’s honestly unmarkable at times and creates a majority of our goals for Jake and others. As a teammate the last thing I am is upset at him but gutted for him as sitting there watching your team battle a man down isn’t easy and without him we wouldn’t be here.
Hard to take as I know we play that game 10 times and we win it 9 of them but that’s football. They were missing a few players but honesty we’ve played better teams in the valley. Inter find ways to win, they are winners and I give them all the credit for that.
Look forward to reading Canucks report as being in the game is much different then watching. Sometimes emotions cloud reality.
Hard lines. No denying Inter’s ability to get results when it counts.
Canucks4Ever
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Around the Grounds - Men's Provincial A Cup Quarter Finals
Friday; Newton Athletic Park - Rovers Tigers 2-1 Pegasus FT
The heat of the day broke as we moved into evening and a brisk breeze out of the West ensured that it wouldn't quite be shirt sleeve weather for this one. On the pitch though, the Surrey Derby ensured that the temperature remained heated. With the stakes so high, and the weather pleasant enough, it brought a good crowd of a few hundred to encircle the pitch and fill a good portion of the grandstand at Newton Athletic Park. The "visitors", Pegasus, playing on their home ground as they had done the week previous in their win over Port Moody, got off to a dream start. Before the match was 10 minutes old, former Whitecaps Residency prospect, Sahil Sandhu, the Pegasus talisman, showed his quality once more. He beat his man down the left flank before putting a lovely ball across the six yard box at chest level that just begged to be turned home and it duly was, to open the scoring. Perhaps the Rovers keeper had a play on the cross, but once he allowed the attacker to make contact, his fate was sealed; 1-0 Peg. From that point though, Rovers seemed to tilt things. That being said, knowing their local rivals as well as they do, Peg had seen this movie before and knew what to expect. Tigers were looking to their counter point for Sahil, Nick Soolsma, the former Toronto FC product, and Peg were doing a good job shepherding him into cul-de-sac after cul-de-sac. In truth, while Soolsma romped all over the pitch getting on the ball, Rovers produced little to trouble the Pegasus goalkeeper. Their one decent chance came on the stroke of half time when they managed to head wide from ten or so yards out.
In the second half, Rovers continued to carry the play in search of an equalizer, however Pegasus did not appear to be close to breaking, if they were even bending at all. Soolsma was finding space to serve in crosses, but time and again he had only Pavi Dhillon to aim for with the Tiger's number nine a forlorn figure lost among a forest of Pegasus defenders. The chances were far from piling up the way they had when the VMSL Champions trailed to Victoria West the previous week and, in fact, Peg were looking full value for a 1-0 win through until the hour mark. The first distress signs came when the Pegasus goal keeper fluffed his goal kick and put it cleanly on Soolsma's foot. The Dutchman played in Pavi and it looked certain to be one all, however the Tiger's striker had a defender doing just enough to put him off as his first time effort sailed just over the bar. The home side would not have to wait much longer to restore parity though as within five minutes they earned a corner; the first phase was cleared but the second phase produced a shot from just outside the penalty area, dead centre and saw the ball riffled into the pack of players leftover from the original corner kick. The shot struck the arm of the Pegasus defender and referee Rubin Smilev was well positioned with a clear, unobstructed view and had no hesitation in pointing to the spot. Soolsma stepped up and buried confidently and it was game on again. Pegasus came out of their shell and nearly stunned the Tigers by immediately retaking the lead. A few minutes after the penalty, the Rovers keeper was called upon to make a sparkling save, low down to his left, at full stretch to tip the shot around the post in what was easily Peg's best chance since they had taken the lead back in the early stages of the game. With just under 15 minutes to play, Rovers found the dagger. After a slow developing play down the right wing, Pavi was eventually slipped in behind the Peg back line. He cut in at a relatively tight angle to goal only to see a Pegasus defender come sliding in. It was very fine margins and the defender mistimed his tackle every so slightly which ended up leaving the ball pretty much where it was, Pavi still on his feet and the defender sliding past the goal line and off the park. With the keeper's weight all leaning to the left to cover for the original shot that was stopped by the tackle, Pavi had the simple task of poking the ball past him to his right and into the far side netting. The Rovers bench and supporters went into ecstasy while the Pegasus sideline chose to aim their frustrations at Reuben. Soon after the restart the ball went out for a throw-in between the benches and all hell broke loose with the supporters leaning over the fence shouting all sorts of profanity along with players and coaches from Pegasus. A red card was produced for one of the Pegasus substitutes while a member of their staff was also sent off. Once play resumed, and with time ticking away, Sahil did his level best to salvage things for Peg, but to little avail, save for a few ambitious, desperate long range efforts. Late into injury, to add insult to injury and snuff out really whatever minimal hope Peg had left, they were reduced to 10 men when it looked like Javid Kahn received a second yellow card, this one for dissent, and was subsequently dismissed. After such a brilliant start, Peg's night ended rather inauspiciously with them exiting the competition while their neighbours Rovers could begin playing a trip to the Island to play either Nanaimo or Cowichan.
Saturday; South Surrey Athletic Park - Coastal 0-1 Inter FT
The sun that had been shining all week in the build up to this game abandoned us for Saturday and, as the rain poured down, perhaps it was to be an omen for the home side. The first thing that was noticeable was that club presence from Coastal had expanded from last week to this week as there was plenty of branding all around the pitch and the technical staff on the sidelines also seemed to have grown by a few. Despite the weather, there was a healthy crowd on hand, though not quite the size of the one up the road at Newton the night previous and unlike the crowd for the Surrey Derby, this one was much more partisan. There was not a ton of action to get the spectators out of their seats early on though and both side started slow in this one, really feeling their way into the game; perhaps this was a sign of respect from the defending Provincial Champions, Inter, towards their hosts. The game was short on early talking points however, with one key block from an Inter defender after Coastal broke quickly following a failed corner kick for the "Italians" was really the bulk of the attacking through the opening half hour. Inter were perhaps shading things just slightly, earning some corners and playing more in Coastal's end. The home side were hardly helping their cause, though, with some sloppy play out of the back as the centrebacks and goal keeper continued to execute their breakout patterns poorly, often forcing bad passes through the middle of the field that Inter were feasting on, but not doing much with after they would steal the ball back. As we ticked past the half hour mark there was finally something to talk about offensively. Coastal talisman Jake Starheim went rampaging across the Inter back line before being hauled down and earning a free kick. The resulting effort looked to be going over, but ultimately dipped, leaving Andrew Fink in the Inter goal with no chance, however the crossbar denied Coastal the opener. The home side then made the same change that they had made with such success the week previous against Croatia, bringing on a new central striker and moving Jake out to the flank. This seemed to once again have the desired effect as Coastal began to see more possession in the attacking third. The Fraser Valley Champions were now earning set pieces as the both their corner and free kick tallies began to increase and they looked very dangerous from their deliveries. Their tails were beginning to get up and a long range effort from the substitute striker saw Fink scrambling back to tip it over the bar. Just when you thought Coastal might really be grabbing the initiative in this one, a moment of madness. As we closed in on half time, a cross came in from the right that was easily collected by Fink. The Inter keeper had the ball well secured when winger Isaac Kyei, who had been on the score sheet the previous week for Coastal, who had continued his run towards goal jumped in with one foot raised, studs fully showing. The challenge was a complete horror show that resembled a karate kick. While it certainly was not violent conduct as, despite how ridiculously ill thought out the tackle was, it was genuinely an attempt to win the ball, however, it was also the textbook definition of serious foul play. Referee Alan Koch was right on the spot and had no hesitation in producing the red card. The decision looked completely clear cut, with even most of the pro-Coastal crowd resigned to the fact that the only outcome for a challenge like that was for their man to be handed his marching orders. Even Coastal's appeals on the field were relatively meek with manager Corrado Lenzi arguing that the contact had been minimal, though there was little conviction in his voice as surely he knew that the amount of contact made no difference in determining whether or not the player deserved to be sent off. It was a rash decision by the attacker and one for which he was made to pay dearly.
In the few minutes remaining before half time tempers flared as things threatened to boil over. You had to feel that this would really tilt things in Inter's favour given that they have a history of feeding off that sort of energy. However, Coastal regrouped well at the break and set up tactically to make life very difficult for their VMSL guests, even with a man advantage. Coastal were very disciplined in their 4-4-1, parking 10 men behind the ball and conceding possession to Inter in non-threatening areas of the pitch. The plan was working, with Inter really struggling to break down the home side and Coastal even looking dangerous during brief moments of counter attacking. They were only generating half chances, but you wondered if maybe, just maybe, there might be quite the script being written in this one. It took Inter 20 minutes to finally carve out a clear chance with their extra player when they hit the bar from in tight at a bad angle, just past the hour mark. The "Italians" continued to tilt the possession numbers as you would expect, but Coastal were far from clinging to things as they looked fairly comfortable and confident in themselves, despite their numerical disadvantage. On 77 minutes though, local hearts were finally broken. Inter's pacey winner surged down the right and he had been the main catalyst for the Vancouver side's offence for most of the afternoon. He cut in and fired a bullet of a cross towards the near post. The Coastal keeper seemed to get his angles all wrong, ostensibly diving past his front post and past the cross. This meant instead of tipping it around the post comfortably and out for a corner, he parried it back into the middle of the net while he went sailing of the pitch and out of the play. Midfielder Marco Visintine looked to get the decisive touch to bundle it in from close range, though substitute and Pokemon Master (seriously, look it up) Sebastian Crema was also on hand to ensure the ball crossed the line. Despite the odds being really stacked against them now, credit to Coastal as they pushed on undeterred. Again, it was only ever really half chances that they were producing, but they were forcing some seriously last ditch defending out of Inter, regardless of the fact that they were actually the team down a man. Given their hand being forced into attacking, this obviously left Coastal exposed at the back, but Inter just could not kill the game off. With a minute of the 90 left to play, the VMSL boys worked a short corner into the penalty area almost unimpeded before firing completely wide at 100 miles per hour when the goal was at their mercy. Coastal meanwhile had their sights set testing Fink with yet another long range effort that again had him scrambling to tip over the bar. Inter would once more squander a chance to make the last minutes of injury time academic when they worked a nice odd man rush for what seemed to be a sure goal before they fired into the keeper's arms from six yards out. Coastal would have one final chance off of a free kick, but they could only earn a corner, which they wasted. Full time would come, eliminating the Fraser Valley Champions and seeing Inter advance to a semi final rematch against another FVSL side in Langley. To be honest, a draw likely would have been a fair result on the day, with neither side really dominating in this one. It is fine lines this time of year and, while Coastal were likely full value for a goal, there's no telling if they really had the legs for another thirty minutes down a man. That being said, who knows how this one would have played out without one bad decision altering the entire trajectory of the match following the sending off. As it was, Inter ruled the day this time, though Coastal can surely hold their heads high.
Friday; Newton Athletic Park - Rovers Tigers 2-1 Pegasus FT
The heat of the day broke as we moved into evening and a brisk breeze out of the West ensured that it wouldn't quite be shirt sleeve weather for this one. On the pitch though, the Surrey Derby ensured that the temperature remained heated. With the stakes so high, and the weather pleasant enough, it brought a good crowd of a few hundred to encircle the pitch and fill a good portion of the grandstand at Newton Athletic Park. The "visitors", Pegasus, playing on their home ground as they had done the week previous in their win over Port Moody, got off to a dream start. Before the match was 10 minutes old, former Whitecaps Residency prospect, Sahil Sandhu, the Pegasus talisman, showed his quality once more. He beat his man down the left flank before putting a lovely ball across the six yard box at chest level that just begged to be turned home and it duly was, to open the scoring. Perhaps the Rovers keeper had a play on the cross, but once he allowed the attacker to make contact, his fate was sealed; 1-0 Peg. From that point though, Rovers seemed to tilt things. That being said, knowing their local rivals as well as they do, Peg had seen this movie before and knew what to expect. Tigers were looking to their counter point for Sahil, Nick Soolsma, the former Toronto FC product, and Peg were doing a good job shepherding him into cul-de-sac after cul-de-sac. In truth, while Soolsma romped all over the pitch getting on the ball, Rovers produced little to trouble the Pegasus goalkeeper. Their one decent chance came on the stroke of half time when they managed to head wide from ten or so yards out.
In the second half, Rovers continued to carry the play in search of an equalizer, however Pegasus did not appear to be close to breaking, if they were even bending at all. Soolsma was finding space to serve in crosses, but time and again he had only Pavi Dhillon to aim for with the Tiger's number nine a forlorn figure lost among a forest of Pegasus defenders. The chances were far from piling up the way they had when the VMSL Champions trailed to Victoria West the previous week and, in fact, Peg were looking full value for a 1-0 win through until the hour mark. The first distress signs came when the Pegasus goal keeper fluffed his goal kick and put it cleanly on Soolsma's foot. The Dutchman played in Pavi and it looked certain to be one all, however the Tiger's striker had a defender doing just enough to put him off as his first time effort sailed just over the bar. The home side would not have to wait much longer to restore parity though as within five minutes they earned a corner; the first phase was cleared but the second phase produced a shot from just outside the penalty area, dead centre and saw the ball riffled into the pack of players leftover from the original corner kick. The shot struck the arm of the Pegasus defender and referee Rubin Smilev was well positioned with a clear, unobstructed view and had no hesitation in pointing to the spot. Soolsma stepped up and buried confidently and it was game on again. Pegasus came out of their shell and nearly stunned the Tigers by immediately retaking the lead. A few minutes after the penalty, the Rovers keeper was called upon to make a sparkling save, low down to his left, at full stretch to tip the shot around the post in what was easily Peg's best chance since they had taken the lead back in the early stages of the game. With just under 15 minutes to play, Rovers found the dagger. After a slow developing play down the right wing, Pavi was eventually slipped in behind the Peg back line. He cut in at a relatively tight angle to goal only to see a Pegasus defender come sliding in. It was very fine margins and the defender mistimed his tackle every so slightly which ended up leaving the ball pretty much where it was, Pavi still on his feet and the defender sliding past the goal line and off the park. With the keeper's weight all leaning to the left to cover for the original shot that was stopped by the tackle, Pavi had the simple task of poking the ball past him to his right and into the far side netting. The Rovers bench and supporters went into ecstasy while the Pegasus sideline chose to aim their frustrations at Reuben. Soon after the restart the ball went out for a throw-in between the benches and all hell broke loose with the supporters leaning over the fence shouting all sorts of profanity along with players and coaches from Pegasus. A red card was produced for one of the Pegasus substitutes while a member of their staff was also sent off. Once play resumed, and with time ticking away, Sahil did his level best to salvage things for Peg, but to little avail, save for a few ambitious, desperate long range efforts. Late into injury, to add insult to injury and snuff out really whatever minimal hope Peg had left, they were reduced to 10 men when it looked like Javid Kahn received a second yellow card, this one for dissent, and was subsequently dismissed. After such a brilliant start, Peg's night ended rather inauspiciously with them exiting the competition while their neighbours Rovers could begin playing a trip to the Island to play either Nanaimo or Cowichan.
Saturday; South Surrey Athletic Park - Coastal 0-1 Inter FT
The sun that had been shining all week in the build up to this game abandoned us for Saturday and, as the rain poured down, perhaps it was to be an omen for the home side. The first thing that was noticeable was that club presence from Coastal had expanded from last week to this week as there was plenty of branding all around the pitch and the technical staff on the sidelines also seemed to have grown by a few. Despite the weather, there was a healthy crowd on hand, though not quite the size of the one up the road at Newton the night previous and unlike the crowd for the Surrey Derby, this one was much more partisan. There was not a ton of action to get the spectators out of their seats early on though and both side started slow in this one, really feeling their way into the game; perhaps this was a sign of respect from the defending Provincial Champions, Inter, towards their hosts. The game was short on early talking points however, with one key block from an Inter defender after Coastal broke quickly following a failed corner kick for the "Italians" was really the bulk of the attacking through the opening half hour. Inter were perhaps shading things just slightly, earning some corners and playing more in Coastal's end. The home side were hardly helping their cause, though, with some sloppy play out of the back as the centrebacks and goal keeper continued to execute their breakout patterns poorly, often forcing bad passes through the middle of the field that Inter were feasting on, but not doing much with after they would steal the ball back. As we ticked past the half hour mark there was finally something to talk about offensively. Coastal talisman Jake Starheim went rampaging across the Inter back line before being hauled down and earning a free kick. The resulting effort looked to be going over, but ultimately dipped, leaving Andrew Fink in the Inter goal with no chance, however the crossbar denied Coastal the opener. The home side then made the same change that they had made with such success the week previous against Croatia, bringing on a new central striker and moving Jake out to the flank. This seemed to once again have the desired effect as Coastal began to see more possession in the attacking third. The Fraser Valley Champions were now earning set pieces as the both their corner and free kick tallies began to increase and they looked very dangerous from their deliveries. Their tails were beginning to get up and a long range effort from the substitute striker saw Fink scrambling back to tip it over the bar. Just when you thought Coastal might really be grabbing the initiative in this one, a moment of madness. As we closed in on half time, a cross came in from the right that was easily collected by Fink. The Inter keeper had the ball well secured when winger Isaac Kyei, who had been on the score sheet the previous week for Coastal, who had continued his run towards goal jumped in with one foot raised, studs fully showing. The challenge was a complete horror show that resembled a karate kick. While it certainly was not violent conduct as, despite how ridiculously ill thought out the tackle was, it was genuinely an attempt to win the ball, however, it was also the textbook definition of serious foul play. Referee Alan Koch was right on the spot and had no hesitation in producing the red card. The decision looked completely clear cut, with even most of the pro-Coastal crowd resigned to the fact that the only outcome for a challenge like that was for their man to be handed his marching orders. Even Coastal's appeals on the field were relatively meek with manager Corrado Lenzi arguing that the contact had been minimal, though there was little conviction in his voice as surely he knew that the amount of contact made no difference in determining whether or not the player deserved to be sent off. It was a rash decision by the attacker and one for which he was made to pay dearly.
In the few minutes remaining before half time tempers flared as things threatened to boil over. You had to feel that this would really tilt things in Inter's favour given that they have a history of feeding off that sort of energy. However, Coastal regrouped well at the break and set up tactically to make life very difficult for their VMSL guests, even with a man advantage. Coastal were very disciplined in their 4-4-1, parking 10 men behind the ball and conceding possession to Inter in non-threatening areas of the pitch. The plan was working, with Inter really struggling to break down the home side and Coastal even looking dangerous during brief moments of counter attacking. They were only generating half chances, but you wondered if maybe, just maybe, there might be quite the script being written in this one. It took Inter 20 minutes to finally carve out a clear chance with their extra player when they hit the bar from in tight at a bad angle, just past the hour mark. The "Italians" continued to tilt the possession numbers as you would expect, but Coastal were far from clinging to things as they looked fairly comfortable and confident in themselves, despite their numerical disadvantage. On 77 minutes though, local hearts were finally broken. Inter's pacey winner surged down the right and he had been the main catalyst for the Vancouver side's offence for most of the afternoon. He cut in and fired a bullet of a cross towards the near post. The Coastal keeper seemed to get his angles all wrong, ostensibly diving past his front post and past the cross. This meant instead of tipping it around the post comfortably and out for a corner, he parried it back into the middle of the net while he went sailing of the pitch and out of the play. Midfielder Marco Visintine looked to get the decisive touch to bundle it in from close range, though substitute and Pokemon Master (seriously, look it up) Sebastian Crema was also on hand to ensure the ball crossed the line. Despite the odds being really stacked against them now, credit to Coastal as they pushed on undeterred. Again, it was only ever really half chances that they were producing, but they were forcing some seriously last ditch defending out of Inter, regardless of the fact that they were actually the team down a man. Given their hand being forced into attacking, this obviously left Coastal exposed at the back, but Inter just could not kill the game off. With a minute of the 90 left to play, the VMSL boys worked a short corner into the penalty area almost unimpeded before firing completely wide at 100 miles per hour when the goal was at their mercy. Coastal meanwhile had their sights set testing Fink with yet another long range effort that again had him scrambling to tip over the bar. Inter would once more squander a chance to make the last minutes of injury time academic when they worked a nice odd man rush for what seemed to be a sure goal before they fired into the keeper's arms from six yards out. Coastal would have one final chance off of a free kick, but they could only earn a corner, which they wasted. Full time would come, eliminating the Fraser Valley Champions and seeing Inter advance to a semi final rematch against another FVSL side in Langley. To be honest, a draw likely would have been a fair result on the day, with neither side really dominating in this one. It is fine lines this time of year and, while Coastal were likely full value for a goal, there's no telling if they really had the legs for another thirty minutes down a man. That being said, who knows how this one would have played out without one bad decision altering the entire trajectory of the match following the sending off. As it was, Inter ruled the day this time, though Coastal can surely hold their heads high.
OldMilwaukeeFC
Member
Sorry to be the one to bring it up again lads but I've been hearing that there may be more protests regarding ITC forms from the 2nd round. I've got no proof but was hoping someone else may know if these rumours are true..
Crowndevil
New Member
Don't know if true but heard from someone that there is a protest For sure some fireworks haha
Canucks4Ever
Well-Known Member
Yep, we've opened Pandora's Box people...
Peg protesting Rovers Tigers; BC soccer to make a decision in the coming days.
Peg protesting Rovers Tigers; BC soccer to make a decision in the coming days.
Cancel the competition if true obviously BC Soccer ain’t doing it’s job to catch this at the beginning of the year while players are being signed. Also cancel this ITC stuff for Amature level sports it’s a waist of time. Rinos case is much different as there is allot more
Issues associated with them.
Issues associated with them.
OldMilwaukeeFC
Member
I agree. It's like BC Soccer used the ITC form as an easy way to eliminate the Rino's for different reason$ and are now realizing they haven't built a very strong foundation with their feeder leagues.
Canucks4Ever
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Correct. It would appear that the Rino's issue is sort of an Al Capone situation, as in they can't get them on paying players, so they are going after them on technicalities like ITC etc. I understand that there is another VMSL team that the group spearheading the Rino's protest is also targeting. In both cases it appears that the players in question on the teams are playing professionally/semi-professionally in the US while ALSO playing in the VMSL concurrently. I understand outside legal advice may now have entered the picture. So that story is not going anywhere anytime soon and we can all stay tuned for future developments.
The rest of these ITC protests would seem to fall under the bullsh!t technicality scenario. For example, the player for Aldergrove who was found to have needed an ITC has not played in a professional environment since he was part of a youth set up in Germany. There must be countless players who require these forms across all divisions of soccer in BC and do not have them. A reminder that technically ANYONE (professional or otherwise) who has played at any organized level in another country technically needs an ITC, at the price of $105 a pop. That means students on visas, new immigrants to the country, etc. All are supposed to pony up. For years leagues have simply ignored this because, quite frankly, nobody complained and it did not matter because everyone was an amateur anyways and it was next to impossible to prove that someone had been playing in another country. Now, thanks to the advent of the internet, many clubs keep their year to year stats online and an ever growing social media presence often provide picture evidence to go along with it.
With the top local leagues attracting more and more high caliber players, it would appear that we have reached a tipping point. The issue has come to light because of professional/semi-professional players also playing in an amateur league. The rule that is supposed to prevent that scenario is also a catch all and is now dragging in plenty of collateral damage as teams look to win games off the pitch, rather than on it. It is clear that the current process for identifying and addressing ITC needs and concerns is woefully inadequate. BC Soccer will be forced to act and redraw the lines going forward to prevent this sort of debacle from occurring again in the future. The problem is that BC Soccer might not have a ton of legal wiggle room pinned underneath CSA and FIFA. While it might sound ridiculous to be talking about FIFA and the VMSL/FVSL in the same breath, the way the laws are written about "member associations" it is in fact very much relevant. It is unfortunate that it seems this season's Provincial Cup will be marred by these growing pains.
On a side note, I understand the FVSL is acting quickly to address the situation with Aldergrove and it will be interesting to see how they handle that with the VMSL looking to have a much larger problem on its doorstep...
The rest of these ITC protests would seem to fall under the bullsh!t technicality scenario. For example, the player for Aldergrove who was found to have needed an ITC has not played in a professional environment since he was part of a youth set up in Germany. There must be countless players who require these forms across all divisions of soccer in BC and do not have them. A reminder that technically ANYONE (professional or otherwise) who has played at any organized level in another country technically needs an ITC, at the price of $105 a pop. That means students on visas, new immigrants to the country, etc. All are supposed to pony up. For years leagues have simply ignored this because, quite frankly, nobody complained and it did not matter because everyone was an amateur anyways and it was next to impossible to prove that someone had been playing in another country. Now, thanks to the advent of the internet, many clubs keep their year to year stats online and an ever growing social media presence often provide picture evidence to go along with it.
With the top local leagues attracting more and more high caliber players, it would appear that we have reached a tipping point. The issue has come to light because of professional/semi-professional players also playing in an amateur league. The rule that is supposed to prevent that scenario is also a catch all and is now dragging in plenty of collateral damage as teams look to win games off the pitch, rather than on it. It is clear that the current process for identifying and addressing ITC needs and concerns is woefully inadequate. BC Soccer will be forced to act and redraw the lines going forward to prevent this sort of debacle from occurring again in the future. The problem is that BC Soccer might not have a ton of legal wiggle room pinned underneath CSA and FIFA. While it might sound ridiculous to be talking about FIFA and the VMSL/FVSL in the same breath, the way the laws are written about "member associations" it is in fact very much relevant. It is unfortunate that it seems this season's Provincial Cup will be marred by these growing pains.
On a side note, I understand the FVSL is acting quickly to address the situation with Aldergrove and it will be interesting to see how they handle that with the VMSL looking to have a much larger problem on its doorstep...
I'm not an admin guy. But I understand it. I respect it. I have to do it for my livelihood and give it as much respect as the tactical aspects that are required to handle an emergency situation that comes along with being a Battalion Chief in the fire department. Same goes for running and coaching a soccer team. It's a really shitty situation when all the pain-staking work you put in on-field is unraveled by an admin technicality that seems so trivial in the scope of things. So, you make sure that doesn't happen. Personally, the more "professionals" in our leagues the better. There is a process to allow a professional player regains his/her amateur status. So abide by it. There is a process that ensures a player who comes from another country and association within the same country is in good standing. I have done my due diligence as a coach with ITC forms and pro to amateur status forms for some time. As much as I sympathize with the situations at hand in the philosophical sense and the purity of competition, I do understand and accept why we have these rules. It also comes down to this; if I am going to make sure I go through the ringer to ensure I abide by the administrative requirements, I want others to do their part as well. Fair?
I think it is.
I think it is.
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I understand your comments regarding the ITC forms. If a player has resided in Canada for a prescribed time, perhaps they shouldn't have to gain clearance from their former governing body. Having said that, I'm not entirely sure what the ITC process filters. Discipline status? Criminal status? Professional status? Financial dues? It's a FIFA requirement I'm pretty sure and the CSA may have no choice. Dealing with other associations in other countries is not always fun but it may be a necessary evil.
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