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Jigsaw

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As long as he does not look at his feet when he is sprinting with the ball like mattox does
Then I say bring him on board
According to Kenny Miller, Mattock's was the worst Professional Player that he has ever seen.
No clue on the game and the worst attitude to boot. He thinks he's "Made It".
Why is he playing?
Hurtado is no better.
Has no idea on runs to make, or how to keep possession and bring other players into the game.
You have to question some of the signings that have been made, since joining MLS.
Even the new ones of late. Who are they?
I look at the names on the team & don't recognize any of them.
But you look at how much they are getting paid and have to wonder, who is making these decisions?
 

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Dude, I said "Does not look to me like somebody who can make a significant (MLS) impact"; I did not say that he is a poor choice. Let's see what he can do. Whitecaps definitely need somebody at the back who can make an impact (like Morales does in his role). Another piece they are missing is a good forward. Mattocks, Hurtado, Manneh, and Salgado combined are not worth anything; total waste of time (I'd really like to know who was the "genius" who has constantly chosen the same type of forward for a few years in a row).

Not sure why you bring RT immediately into this CB issue but you can have your fun [I believe I have proven my points about that guy and finally it looks like Robinson put a "reality check" glasses lately; not sure how long he is going to play Hurtado but that is another issue: I am going to repeat that Hurtado would hardly make any VMSL Premier team better; yes, speed OK and strong like a bull but that is it (ball control worse than numerous 10-year old players I know)]. Also (mentioned before) I believe we all know 5-10 local guys who are better players than Hurtado but...

Anyway, I agree with your comments about Mitchell and Dean (Whitecaps residency program has been nothing but a failure; after all those years there is still no impact player from that program unless we count "you know who"; it certainly raises a question or two about the coaching staff and management). Jay Demerit was really, really good (when he was not injured). Let's not forget that he was an important piece for USA national team for quite some time.

Whitecaps should spend money on a goalie, CB, CM (Morales), and CF. The rest of the team they can build around that "backbone". Not sure why somebody mentioned Donovan (is he available?) but I am quite certain he would solve the problem upfront for at least couple of years.
From what I gather, they have been "Developing players" for the past 10 years at the Whitecaps, alongside BC Soccer.
$3,000,000 per year spent on the program.
That is $30,000,000. Yes $30 million
I could get a good player for them for that amount.
There has to be some accountability for the program, no-one has come through it.
They will tell you Tiebert, but he's from Ontario FFS.
BC Soccer also have to start asking questions as to who they are developing.
It used to be that half of any National Team came from BC, now we are lucky if we get 1 player on a squad.
What does Mike Findlay Do?
Who has he developed? NOBODY.
Steve MacDonald played for the Vancouver 86ers when he was 16 yrs. old.
He was up against Justin Fashinu, who played for England and was better that most MLS forwards of today.
Steve probably wouldn't get a game today, as he would not have enough experience, and that he is Canadian.
Something is wrong with player development here in BC and nobody is held accountable.
Nice work, if you can get it.
 

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Not sure why somebody mentioned Donovan (is he available?) but I am quite certain he would solve the problem upfront for at least couple of years.
He was mentioned because apparently we are shooting for WC Team rejects to save the day.

That's supposed to be TTPing BTW, I would hate to be taken seriously here.

Maybe not.
 

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I'm guessing all these TDs are making 100,000 m per year we should be expecting a lot more outta the clubs
Alfredo Valente sauce made 129 last season & he is a long ball specialist fcuking muppit telling parents to come to academy's etc .development etc

Give your long ball heed a fcuking shake Alfredo sauce
 

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This is way off topic, but soccer has become the new hockey...the costs are getting into the "Elite" status, so far as affordability. Parents with kids at the highest levels of YOUTH (not even talking about 15 and up, here) are essentially strongarmed into shelling out thousands of dollars per year. BCPL. Academies. Academy kits, required to participate in academy. Team kit, required to participate in team training. It's never ending. My Jihad has been the BCPL, which is as backwards as it gets, so far as a model for developing elite players. If you really want the best at this level, the costs are unsustainable for many famillies, and the reality is they said "screw it, we'll keep our summers to ourselves, thanks".
 

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Lots of naysaying here... I'm assuming you all have the magic answers to turn Canada into a world power in time for Qatar?
 

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90 minutes for Tiebert regardless of how he plays

I noticed there are a lot cheap tickets left for the game on Sunday and the Portland game. It must be because they tarp off the upper bowl.
 

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Lots of naysaying here... I'm assuming you all have the magic answers to turn Canada into a world power in time for Qatar?
No naysaying here. Just stating the truth. Canada has never been in such poor shape regarding soccer. Not too many Canadians in MLS.
No players from BC on National teams any more. We used to supply half the squad. No players coming out of Residency program. Whitecaps nowhere near winning MLS Cup. Drafting players from USA when there are better players in Canada. If you don't think we can find better than Hurtado & Mattocks, you see a different game to me.
I have looked at the Whitecaps team & compared them to the Vanouver 86ers.
Only 3 players in my opinion would get a game for 86ers.
Moreles, Koffee & O'Brian.
The rest would not be as good as the 86ers players.
Paul Dolan, Pat Onstad both better than Oustad.
Catliff & Mobilio far better than any forward on Whitecaps.
The list could go on.
 

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No naysaying here. Just stating the truth. Canada has never been in such poor shape regarding soccer. Not too many Canadians in MLS.
No players from BC on National teams any more. We used to supply half the squad. No players coming out of Residency program. Whitecaps nowhere near winning MLS Cup. Drafting players from USA when there are better players in Canada. If you don't think we can find better than Hurtado & Mattocks, you see a different game to me.
I have looked at the Whitecaps team & compared them to the Vanouver 86ers.
Only 3 players in my opinion would get a game for 86ers.
Moreles, Koffee & O'Brian.
The rest would not be as good as the 86ers players.
Paul Dolan, Pat Onstad both better than Oustad.
Catliff & Mobilio far better than any forward on Whitecaps.
The list could go on.
Always negative!
 

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Always negative!
What have you got to be positive about?
If the game is in such good shape, why aren't we winning championships?
Why are Canada so far down FIFA's list?
Why are there no BC players playing in Whitecaps?
It must be nice to dream & shout Rah,Rah.
I'm used to winning teams, you must be just happy that we have a team here.
 
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I think part of it is those guys grew up watching the whitecaps when they were a big thing in town but for the last twenty years all you had were the 86ers. A semi pro team where most players needed a second job or it was something they did till they got a career going. No real tv exposure and kids didn't grow up dreaming about playing for them. Add to the fact that the game has become so professional everywhere we just fell behind everyone else. I for one feel there is no one place to lay blame but there are a lot of blame to go around.
 

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Morales deserves to have better forwards in front of him. Mattocks (if we put aside the goal he scored) has not done anything. Hurtado!? Not sure how that guy has a spot in the first 11. Why? What has he done yesterday? He even gets kicked in the head and Robinson still continues to play him!?
Something really, really strange is going on. If anyone asks me I'd bet that the guy(s) who has (have) drafted Hurtado (and Mattocks and Manneh and Salgado - all forwards) is (are) desperately trying to prove something (I do not know what) and Robinson is then forced to play him.
Can anyone imagine how many goals Camilo would have scored already this season with Morales behind him?
And then Teibert goes in and gets captain's band!!!??? So, there is O"Brien, Koffie, Laba, Ousted,... and Teibert wears a band? Wow!
On the positive note, 2:0 is a great win for Whitecaps. O'Brien very good (not sure why he is not playing more often), Laba and Koffie always do enough to get noticed, Fernandez a lot more dangerous than Hurtado (at least there are some flashes with Fernandez while we have to watch how Hurtado is trying to dribble through an opponent; Salgado shows a lot more in 10,15 minutes than Hurtado in 80 or 90). Ousted is good goalie but he has to stop yelling constantly at his defence (does not look good, really).
 

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That's my only beef of Ousted these days...too much snap show going on. Otherwise, This season, he's been very solid, far better than what we've had. As good a Dolan? Can't say that. Not even sure I can say better than Onstad, but Dollie had the unfortunate luck of being a world class keeper born on Canadian soil. I'd actually like to know more of the story there and why he couldn't find a home playing in Europe...

OTP, when you have been there and done that as Jigsaw has as a coach, it's hard not to be negative, and to a huge extent he is right. Why aren't the Cap's drafting good, Canadian players? Why aren't they scouring the Canadian University system for players to bring into the mix? Surely there are some more composed players that do have some footballing intelligence than Hurtado and Mattocks out there. Watching last night, as Morales served up finishing chance after finishing chance, and Mattocks muffed nearly every one, was maddening. Then seeing him call his own number when you have guys like Obrien, Leveron, Laba, and Koffie on the pitch? He's a greedy bugger that just wants to pad his stats. Any one of the aforementioned pros would have had the composure to finish the PK.

And I'm not just pumping Jigsaw's tires...I think that there are times he's overly negative and fails to see the positives coming from the squad because he's so blinded for hatred towards the organization. :D I'm just throwing darts, now, but I think I may be onto something...

RL...again, unhealthy obsession, but I have to agree that was baffling, to not even be in the 1st 11, then get the armband? WTF?

I like Robo's personality and aggressiveness so far as a system of play, but a lot of his decisions on starting 11, etc., are baffling. I can't stand seeing Hurtado get chance after chance while Salgado sits.
 

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Agreed. Defense was much more stable with O'Brien back there. Doubt we'll see much of Mitchell anymore, with Waston wanting to play immediately.

Our centre mids won the game, Koffie, Laba and Morales were on fire. I don't know how none of them were in the discussion for the all star game.

Also noticed Reo C didn't make the bench, can we drop his salary as well? With it and Millers We should be able to get a better striker to take us into the playoffs. Our striker situation exemplifies why we need the USL team in New West. These young guns need some where to play (maybe we can get a Dwyer out of them) but not at the team and fans expense.
 

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RL...again, unhealthy obsession, but I have to agree that was baffling, to not even be in the 1st 11, then get the armband? WTF?

Dude, honestly, why do you think it is my unhealthy obsession? For stating the obvious!? You said WTF about the same issue, didn't you, and I do not call it unhealthy obsession.
 

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Why aren't the Cap's drafting good, Canadian players? Why aren't they scouring the Canadian University system for players to bring into the mix? Surely there are some more composed players that do have some footballing intelligence than Hurtado and Mattocks out there. Watching last night, as Morales served up finishing chance after finishing chance, and Mattocks muffed nearly every one, was maddening. Then seeing him call his own number when you have guys like Obrien, Leveron, Laba, and Koffie on the pitch? He's a greedy bugger that just wants to pad his stats.

I think the issue is with the fact that geniuses at CSA and BCSA are too much catering toward Whitecaps (Toronto FC and Impact as 3 Canadian pro teams). CSA and BCSA are bunch of incompetent people who get paid too much for work they have (not) done. So, they decided to "hide" behind pro teams, shift everything toward them (HPL and similar sh*t) hoping those 3 teams would produce enough talent to supply for a men's national team. Unfortunately, those pro teams also employ some totally incompetent people who keep their jobs no matter what. Obviously, that is a rotten circle from which nothing good can come out.

That is why Canada is 110th place on FIFA list. That is why there is no BC player on Canadian NT. That is why soccer in BC has become a joke. The system is not working because constantly the same incompetent people make decisions. Soccer has become a lucrative job for all those guys. No one makes a lot of money as easy as those soccer "executives" in BC. No transparency, no responsibility, no integrity, no accountability; yet, all those guys make 80K (some a lot more) per year. For what?

At the end, some volunteer local coaches (and a few of them regularly contribute to this forum) had more success at national level competitions than all those pros who work for Whitecaps and/or BC together. Those guys actually created all those talented players who just disappeared when moved under BCSA or Whitecaps umbrella. Soccer in BC and Canada will not grow by making it more and more expensive. It did not happen anywhere in the World that way and it will certainly not happen in Canada.

CSA and BCSA need an independent Board (volunteers who love soccer and breathe soccer and, at the same, have enough power to fire all those long term "pros" who have ruined soccer in Canada) to set the things straight. Decades are passing by, the numbers of (registered) players are huge, never before more money was pumped into soccer than lately and still nothing!!!??? It is even getting worse! What is the common denominator? It is not hard to check who sits that long with CSA, BCSA, Whitecaps, etc.
 

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Dude, honestly, why do you think it is my unhealthy obsession? For stating the obvious!? You said WTF about the same issue, didn't you, and I do not call it unhealthy obsession.

You are asking that question, HONESTLY? You are HONESTLY asking me?

First, this site is called TTP. Second, if you have to ask, well...
 
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